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 Post subject: Re: Branded Lions
Unread postPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 1:44 pm 
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Hi African Lynx, the branding looks more like a T to me... anyway, a TR is always welcome, we just love to hear about the other mite's trips :thumbs_up:


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 Post subject: Re: Branded Lions
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PetraJ you quite right, it does also look like a "T". If I had been positioned the otherside of the lions I may have noticed that :o

So does the "T" mean they have TB? Anyone at SANPARKS have an explanation?

DuQues I did see Jo's original post, but as you say, not sure if they related in some way.

Regards the TR, I have 2 outstanding, one for Jan 2010 and the other Easter 2010.


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 Post subject: Re: Branded Lions
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I have asked about this and been told it indicates they were tested, not whether they are infected or not. I believe all 4 nomad lions are marked......although guess they are not nomads anymore!

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 Post subject: Re: Branded Lions
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Hi African Lynx
We were at BnD in the week before the Easter wekend and also saw the males as well as the pride.
It is a 'T' and I recall Peter the guide saying it was to show that they had been tested for TB.


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 Post subject: Re: Branded Lions
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So the King is dead? Or his reign rather.

But why test only the males? I saw 3 females in the same area and they weren't marked. Unless the vet still needs to get to them.


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 Post subject: Re: Branded Lions
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Those males were tested a while ago....while they were still nomadic. There is a research project on the go across Kruger at present looking at the lion population dynamics etc etc..... At least one of the lionesses in the pride wears a radio collar.
If I am able to find out more I will post the information.

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 Post subject: Re: Branded Lions
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Hey guys i saw the same lions with the T on them last year December and was wondering as to why they were branded!?!

We did come across a pride on close to 10 lions on the Doispane road with this female have a radio collar! could someone tell me more about this lion and is she part of the testing that is being discussed here ?

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 Post subject: Re: Branded Lions
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Time to get my controversial hat on.............. :rtm:

I know we have to find work for all the university graduates pouring onto the job market but.................

I am dead against this almost religious need to disfigure and pester our fauna in the name of scientific research. Birds with not just one leg ring but several (not to mention the unsightly wing tags now adorning raptors and waterfowl across the world). Branding and radio/satellite collaring of every 4 legged thing with breath in its body............. :wall: :sniper:

We humans seem to think we have the right to interfere with everything on the planet and this new age of data overload is just adding to the mess we're in. :slap:

Can't we just stop??

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 Post subject: Re: Branded Lions
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Many of the mistakes made in the past were because we did not understand properly and acted on assumptions. At least today we recognise that and are gaining more and more knowledge. Perhaps not always sympathetically......?

Wing tags on vultures have led to a revision of understanding on their migration and travel, and I suspect leg rings on birds the same, for example.

Radio collars are not always permanent and so are removed or fall off after a time.

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 Post subject: Re: Branded Lions
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Well said Sanpfan :thumbs_up: :thumbs_up: I couldn't agree with you more. Just another way mankind has found to force its will on other living beings. What little (and dubious) merit collaring might have had at first have quickly been overrun by the fact that every second so-and-so is now collaring some unsuspecting wild animal in the name of science.

What solutions are there to this problem? Isn't micro-chipping a (slightly) less disruptive option?


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 Post subject: Re: Branded Lions
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I agree that collaring, banding etc can seem incredibly intrusive.
Micro-chipping is not an alternative to collaring.
A micro-chip simply carries an id of that animal but to re-identify the individual you need to sedate and then pass a microchip reader over it.
Obviously this is not practicable or desirable.
GPS collars are high tech collars which can log GPS co-ordinates for the individual at set intervals of time. This data can be downloaded remotely without disturbing the animal.
Some collars can be set to release and fall off after a certain amount of time.
Others need to be removed whilst the animal is under sedation.
Other collars utilise radio telemetry to locate individuals, these are cheaper and require a lot of man hours out physically tracking.
Collaring of animals is never done lightly.
In fact studies run by Universities or other scientific organisations usually require a detailed study plan including capture techniques etc etc to be passed by an animal ethics committee.
The information gathered by studies utilising these techniques cannot be underestimated.
Our understanding of population dynamics and other aspects of ecology for specific species relies to a great extent on the gathering and analysis of very specific data over periods of time (the longer the better). These types of studies are extremely important in informing wildlife management decisions and quantifying the impact of human activity on species populations and the broader ecology of particular areas or regions. I have spent time with scientists working in the field using these techniques and have seen first hand the positive outcomes the collection of data using them has brought for example, changing management policy towards hunting quotas in parks in other countries.

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 Post subject: Punda's Scar Face (Lion)
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Hi All

I was wondering - has anyone seen Scar / Scar Face (Male Lion in Punda Area) recently? We are camping there soon would love to see him :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Punda's Scar Face (Lion)
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Welcome to the forum Oliphante :D

I do hope you see your Scar Faced lion :whistle: Have a wonderful trip!!! Bring back lots of :cam:

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 Post subject: Re: Punda's Scar Face (Lion)
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Olifante, I am not sure if this is the "Scar Face" you are referring to?

We saw him in Feb this year close to Punda Maria.

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 Post subject: Re: Punda's Scar Face (Lion)
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What an impressive looking lion - showing his age a bit but still imposing!!

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