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Unread postPosted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 10:24 am 
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I was chatting to one of the park's assitant rangers and he got zapped in the eyes by a moz spitting cobra right by the shingwedzi swimming pool.... he first thought it was water from a sprinkler till the pain set in..... he is ok now...but has trouble with really bright lights.....
so perhaps its carelessness in a sense that once you have been in a snake infested area for a while you lose that sense of fear......


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wildtuinman wrote:
best remedy for getting spit in the eyes is to use urine.


I thought that was for a jelly fish sting. If it does work though, you better hope you have a male friend with you, for correct aiming purposes you see.

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Works for most stings, bites etc. Urine is as disinfected as you can get. Passing through your kidneys etc.

Maybe that's why Marubou storks urinates on their legs. They probably get stung the whatsename out of them by scorpions and stuff. :lol:

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ROFLMAO @ bwana.....

ok..because of you i had a serious graphic visual of both the male and female homo sapien trying to disinfect a bite!!!!!
not a very pretty visual i might add!!!! lol


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I remember once when we made a potjie on the farm ... Brother in law was taking wood out of a box, next thing you just hear scream when Moz Spitting Cobra appear out of box. Being far from any hospital or doctor, they had no choice but to shoot whatever snake came close to the house.

Other experiences they had ... 2 x black mamba on seperate occasions, (one lifted himself 2 m to try and get into the kitchen window. Snakeshot is the only answer. a 4m Luislang (python) trying to catch one of the dogs.

They dearly love nature, but a snake in the house, with a small boy in the house, or a black mamba in the fields was just to dangerous.

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Kruger lovers.
Never seen a snake in the camps. During drives numerous
adders crossing the road.
But
In Kenia we nearly run over a black mamba. It reacted
(that was when we saw it) by attacking the car. It left to
bitemarks on the plastic housing of the mirror.
In 1999, while walking in Giants Castlel with my Dutch lady
(for this first time away from Europe) she popped the quiestion :?:
(Not that one Bwana)
Does bushes in Africa make hissing sounds when touched :?:
No, but please step away, dear :evil:
Underneath this small bush a pufadder was warning her not to
attemp any further investigations.
She was about 20 cm away from a defenitely death.
We were one hour away from the main camp, and i believe
that we would not have reached that in time.



Motto: Look before you touch, look before you sit and always
check the toilet seat of a zinkhousing in nature.
Used to find curled up snakes at the Vaaldam on the toiletseats.

Bert




(luckily I have now learned that urination could help a little bit)


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Hi bert,

Close call hey?

Fortunately although the puffadder is very venomous it's poison take quite a long time to get going. She would have made it if you managed to keep her calm. Shock kills to u know!

She would have had some serious skin crafting maybe. With a mamba it could have been goodnight nurse!

They seem to like toilets, don't know why.

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Hi

Just some interesting things:
Snakes cant smell humans and their eyesight is not good.
I have heard that the reason why most people die from snake bites is from the shock they endure.

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craigsa wrote:

Snakes cant smell humans and their eyesight is not good.


...and humans can't smell snakes and our eyesight is not that great either!

My husband told me a story about when he went on a hiking trail in the Soutpansberg with a mate. They stopped for a rest and his mate sat down. My husband told him not to move as he had inadvertently sat down on a Puffadder. Bit of a stalemate as neither could move! Husbands mate eventually had to get up reaaaaally slowly and went paler than pale when he realised that it was really a puffadder. Even paler when he saw the puncture marks and venom on his backpack! When they got to camp, they opened the snakebite kit out of curiosity to see what was inside and found 2 ampoules of antivenom. The instructions said "in case of snakebite from a Puffadder, immediately inject 10 ampoules into a vein and immediately seek medical help".

I think dinner was a quiet affair that night.


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A snake can definitly smell humans! For Venom in your eyes urine is Ok but water will do just fine. (dilute antivenin 1:10 if available) The secret is to rinse youre eyes continious for about half a hour. to describe the feeling: If somone puts a cigarette out in your eye it would be soothing....
It is not advisable to carry antivenin. 1. It must be kept under 25 deg. 2. Expensive/ must be replaced often 3. A lot of people show alergic reaction to it- then you have big @#& !

Best treatment: Pressure bandage
Adenaline or cortisone injection and all is OK until you reach a hospital proviided that they know how to treat a snake bite!

You have a 3- 4 hour window for most snakes. eccept for nasties like the Black mamba, but then again a black mamba is not nearly as bad as its reputation. You won't get closer than 30m to one in the wild on foot unless you suprise or corner it..


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Pilane wrote:
A snake can definitly smell humans! For Venom in your eyes urine is Ok but water will do just fine. (dilute antivenin 1:10 if available) The secret is to rinse youre eyes continious for about half a hour. to describe the feeling: If somone puts a cigarette out in your eye it would be soothing....
It is not advisable to carry antivenin. 1. It must be kept under 25 deg. 2. Expensive/ must be replaced often 3. A lot of people show alergic reaction to it- then you have big @#& !

Best treatment: Pressure bandage
Adenaline or cortisone injection and all is OK until you reach a hospital proviided that they know how to treat a snake bite!

You have a 3- 4 hour window for most snakes. eccept for nasties like the Black mamba, but then again a black mamba is not nearly as bad as its reputation. You won't get closer than 30m to one in the wild on foot unless you suprise or corner it..


I thought a pressure bandage was the last thing to do? Thanks for the reassurance about the mamba. I almost had to cancel my honeymoon!!

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I thought a pressure bandage was the last thing to do? Thanks for the reassurance about the mamba. I almost had to cancel my honeymoon!!


In the case of Neurotoxic or Haemotoxic envenomation a pressure bandage is recommended as 'it causes the collapse of local lymphatic drainage reducing the absorption of venom into the blood stream' (taken from the Wildlifecampus Game Ranger course)

For Cytotoxic envenomation you should NOT apply a bandage as the damage is to local tissue and this would only make matters worse.


Oh dammit! I'm gonna print this out and keep it for further referance!

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Oh dammit! I'm gonna print this out and keep it for further referance!


Don't forget to keep a crepe bandage next to your print-out ;)


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Always us a pressure bandage even for cytotoxic like a Puff adder; A puffadder also has cardio toxins in its venom, so your heart can be affected, which would you prefer- more tissue damage or heart failure..... its up to you. A pressure bandage can actually limit tissue damage if applied soon enough after the bite. What if you don't know what snake bit you, are you going to take the chance and not apply a pressure bandage?
Remember this bandage is not a torniquet and should not prevent blood circulation. The only case where you should'nt apply a bandage is with a boomslang or twig/ vine snake. The heamotoxic venom will only start to work after a day or more.


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Pilane wrote:
Always us a pressure bandage even for cytotoxic like a Puff adder;


Thanks Pilane - I must check this out as it is not what I have lbeen taught; but I know that advice in First Aid is constantly changing :)


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