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 Post subject: SNAKES / REPTILE Big 5 or 6
Unread postPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 7:07 pm 
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I was wondering, what do other forumites think about the idea to start a project on having the SNAKES / REPTILES Big 5 or 6.

The idea ??hopefully?? will be to get visitors' attention to be also on the lookout for reptiles while driving. I know that this may be wishful thinking, but miracles are still happening.

After seeing all these dead snakes on the road, I really feel that something needs to be done.

Please feel free to come up with any other suggestions so that we can discuss it. I know that some will just say " you are waisting your time and breath, but, if we do not try it, we will never know in the future what the effect might have been?!

May be we can even arrange a "Reptile watch" weekend in the KNP once a year.

I have said enough now. Please give inputs/feedback.

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Great idea!

My big 5 snakes for Kruger would be:

African Rock Python.
Black Mamba.
Boomslang.
Mozambican spitting Cobra.
Puffadder.


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For KTP, I'd add the Cape Cobra. :D


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i agree with restio.

South Africa's big 6 would be my big 5 together with the Cape Cobra.


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 Post subject: Good thinking!
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I'm quite new to this here forums! I like this idea though! Have any of you spotted any of these 'Big 6' snakes in the Kruger? 8) Bar for the Cape Cobra?? :redface:

Another thought :hmz: Would we not need to include the Nile Crocodile and some of the lizard family if we're talking reptiles too??

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Hi Liesl

Welcome to the Forum. Hope that you will enjoy it.

With regards to your question, currently a final decision still needs to be taken on what the Big 5 or 6 for snakes/reptiles will include. So it is not impossible to include them. So, watch this space.

You are welcome to propose your list of the Big 5 / 6 for snakes/reptiles. Looking forward to it.

Yes I saw a Mozambique spitting cobra and a python during my trip - 21 - 25 May 2008 in the KNP.

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I was fortunate to have seen all of the ones I have suggested as the big 5 in Kruger. :D


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Liesl! Play nice! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

I have photos of all but the Moz. Spitting Cobra. Wild@heart and Jacov was with me, maybe they got something, I hope they did, cause they normally do bugger all in any case.
It was trying to catch a big frog, but the frog escaped and made a run... ehm.. I mean jump for it with the cobra in hot pursuit!

I have the mamba on video, but only just.

The boomslang I got @ Nkulu picnic spot.
Hundreds of people passed thru underneath it as it laid watching. :twisted:
Will have to scan in the pic as it was taken on a film camera.

Saw a dead python on the H4-1 and then a nice sizable one on the Duke mission.

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The Puffadder afternoon at Biyamithi. Aaaahhh... Saw 5 in less than an hour on gravel roads in the Biyamithi area. :twisted:

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I have seen the black mamba just outside the Shingwedzi gate on the tarmac crossing the road early morning. It was a great sighting and I was all excited about it.
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Also saw a big python in a tree near Afsaal, but dunno what that was to be honoust.

I saw three snakes on that trip again, but no pics and to fast moving.

I think its a great idea this topic!


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I would like to suggest the following 5 reptiles for the Big 5 Reptiles:

Rock Monitor
Leopard Tortoise
Black Mamba
Mozambique Spitting Cobra
Twig Snake

Any other suggestions, Forumites??

Mfezi


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 Post subject: Re: SNAKES / REPTILE Big 5 or 6
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Mfezi, I think its a brilliant idea.
I like the "reptile watch" weekend idea.
It will for sure create an awareness for snakes on the roads.
Snake sightings can be recorded and stats of where and when etc can be kept.

My big 5 :
Black Mamba
Puff adder
Mozambique spitting cobra
African Python
Boomslang

I must be honest, I have quite a fear (respect :roll: ) for snakes so I am forever on the look out :|


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Ok, firstly I need to thank all the forumites for their interest and posts on this topic.

We now need to decide whether we are going to have a BIG 5 for snakes only and / or another BIG 5 for the rest of the reptiles.

The other issue that needs to be finalized are the criteria for including animals under the BIG 5 snakes or BIG 5 Reptiles.

Once again, all forumites are more than welcome to give advice / inputs.

My criteria for the BIG 5 snakes will include: toxicity and size. In other words I suppose that the python will be one of the Big 5 snakes and the rest will consist of venomous ones.

For the BIG 5 Reptiles, I think that one needs to look at the general reptiles that are frequently found.

So, here are my finals:

Big 5 snakes: Black Mamba, Mozambique Spitting Cobra, Vine Snake, Puff Adder and Python

Big 5 Reptiles: Crocodile, Leopard tortoise, Chameleon, Yellow throated Plated lizard, Rock monitor.

Looking forward to all your responses.

Mfezi


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I vote "yes" to both lists..

I have also seen all the snakes/reptiles on both lists. 8)

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Mfezi, I have just looked at your list again and I'm curious about your exclusion of the Boomslang.

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Mfezi wrote:
My criteria for the BIG 5 snakes will include: toxicity and size. In other words I suppose that the python will be one of the Big 5 snakes and the rest will consist of venomous ones.

Big 5 snakes: Black Mamba, Mozambique Spitting Cobra, Vine Snake, Puff Adder and Python


Watched a great program on Animal Planet last night….one crazy guy (he is really nuts!! :shock: ) rated the 7 most deadliest snakes (strikes) in Africa….he rated them on speed, how toxic their venom is and how fast they strike….his rating was as follow:

1. Black Mamba….one of the fastest snakes in the world, and of cause, that deadly venom.
2. Gaboon Adder ….the snake with the longest fangs in the world (if I remember correctly? :? ) as well as one of the fastest strikers
3. Boomslang ….per drop the most potent venom in the world
4. Snouted Cobra (previously known as Egyptian Cobra)
5. Puff Adder….responsible for the most serious snake bites in Africa
6. Rinkhals
7. Peringuey’s Adder….know for sidewinding on dunes…have to be honest, cannot see why this one was at all considered….is venom is not of real danger to man

Imberbe wrote:
Snakes are reptiles!

It would really be strange to have a big 5 reptile list without some of the most deadly (black mamba) and biggest (python) reptiles represented!


I agree with Imberbe….one will have to at least include the Black Mamba…..this is for sure the “king” of African snakes …IMHO


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