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Should the names of people banned be made public on the forums?
Poll ended at Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:32 pm
Yes 63%  63%  [ 57 ]
No 37%  37%  [ 33 ]
Total votes : 90
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 Post subject: Re: Should the names of members banned be made public
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I voted no as I feel the possibility for speculation is too great. I do understand the people saying yes point of view. Interesting poll.

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As always a clear yes or no is difficult for me.

I would say yes, if..........etc.
And no, if..................etc.

Will think about it :hmz:


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I voted yes, but I dont think there needs to be a thread or topic containing banned users, we also dont need to know why the user was banned.

All that you need to see is where it says offline or online under your avatar it should say banned, I have seen that in many a forum I have been a member of.

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I have voted No, because I think those people feel bad enough being banned, and not being able to explain their sides of the story.

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missings.a.! wrote:
JMO, I don't think names should be made public by Sanparks, but the banned forumite should be given the option to reveal they have been banned and perhaps why, as long as it is done in a way that does not solicit forumites to draw battle lines.


This is something one should keep in mind before voting: banned members are banned and as such not able to login to the forums. In many cases not even able to see the forums. So they will not be able to give their side of the story. As it is not allowed to post for banned members others are unable to do it either.

This will more be like a little announcement such as:

Banned permanently due to breaking rule X: DuQues
Banned for a month (ending on 2 September 2011) due to breaking rule X: bert

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If there is only going to be partial information, I am going to vote NO.


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I totally agree to what dikdikkie said. Name and shame might not be the right way to go about things. Malicious intent of banned members or not, blacklisting people might mean loss of public dignity. Privacy as a set of rights over the control of one's image, name, and reputation, and over the public disclosure of information about oneself is an aspect of personal dignity of all forum members, wrong doers included.

There is an actual shame for banned users. Most users are using nicknames, but there are many other members and readers on the forum who know the real name and person behind.

At least the banned member has to agree before he/she appears on a ban list.
Furthermore a in public manner banned member should be allowed to state his case and to explain why he/she thinks the ban was unjustified, if he/she feels that he/she was treated unfairly.


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Toko wrote:
Furthermore a in public manner banned member should be allowed to state his case and to explain why he/she thinks the ban was unjustified, if he/she feels that he/she was treated unfairly.

That is always possible (and happens) via a mail to E-commerce.

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I mean to state the case on the forum, DuQues :wink:


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DuQues wrote:
Toko wrote:
Furthermore a in public manner banned member should be allowed to state his case and to explain why he/she thinks the ban was unjustified, if he/she feels that he/she was treated unfairly.

That is always possible (and happens) via a mail to E-commerce.

It happens, yes! You expose your reasons to why you think that the ban/warning is unfair and if you do not get an answer you can just go and :wall:


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I agree with Toko.
Bans should be able to be challenged in the open.

then there isn't the same shame. Because members will make up their own mind if the ban is justified in which case there isn't shame, and if it is justified there will be shame.
The fact that every ban brings shame assumes every ban is just.

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I agree with Toko.
Bans should be able to be challenged in the open.

then there isn't the same shame. Because members will make up their own mind if the ban is justified in which case there isn't shame, and if it is justified there will be shame.
The fact that every ban brings shame assumes every ban is just.
:clap: :clap: Many may get banned because they choose to “fight” for something that they believe in and I don’t see any shame in that.


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DuQues wrote:
This is something one should keep in mind before voting: banned members are banned and as such not able to login to the forums. In many cases not even able to see the forums. So they will not be able to give their side of the story. As it is not allowed to post for banned members others are unable to do it either.
You could give a banned member 3 days after the ban to tell their side of the story. Just one post without starting a new discussion and if this post is against any rules again you can easily delete it.
just a question of interest: if a member does get banned for a month does he/she have no chance to contact one of the mods because they can't login? Does a banned member have any chance to reply, answer or ask questions?

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