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Re: Poaching

Unread postby onewithnature » Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:22 am

BH, as always a very thought-provoking post. :thumbs_up: :thumbs_up: I feel, as you suggest repeatedly, that the priorities are often awry, and that corruption, to whatever degree, reverses much of the good achieved by those with genuine dedication and concern. We live in a world where money dominates - concern for life takes a distant second in many cases. This is the tragedy of modern humankind - it's all about people looking after their own interests: do many of them really care what the world will be like for others in 50 or 100 years' time? Sadly, in a lot of cases, the answer is "no". If we could only rekindle the attitudes and wisdom of the American Indians, the San, the Aborigines, and several other peoples that, in my opinion, reached a much higher level of functioning and understanding of their surroundings, and how they fit in with them, than we will ever achieve in the modern world! A testimony to the cruelty and self-interests of many current populations is that those very peoples that harmonised with nature were largely eliminated by those that didn't! The Indians and San and Aborigines have been largely slaughtered or miscegenated in recent history.

The only way the world will reverse the slaughter and desecration of our natural world - with which we are inextricably dependent for survival - will be to reverse society's perceptions and priorities. But, sadly, change of these attitudes is notoriously difficult, especially when many leaders are not setting the right example! We await another Nelson Mandela, or Winston Churchill, to reset the sails. I can only hope it wil happen imminently, for another few decades and we're doomed to enrich the fossil records of the world as mankind becomes an extinct species - another "experiment: that failed.
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Re: Poaching

Unread postby BunnyHugger » Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:46 am

onewithnature wrote:
Snip, snip, snip...

The only way the world will reverse the slaughter and desecration of our natural world - with which we are inextricably dependent for survival - will be to reverse society's perceptions and priorities. But, sadly, change of these attitudes is notoriously difficult, especially when many leaders are not setting the right example! We await another Nelson Mandela, or Winston Churchill, to reset the sails. I can only hope it wil happen imminently, for another few decades and we're doomed to enrich the fossil records of the world as mankind becomes an extinct species - another "experiment: that failed.


OWN, thanks for the compliment. Coming from you, I take it as a massive one. Your posts too are thought provoking. You also seem to ne able to put into one short post, what would probably take me a thousand.

I too agree with your last paragraph and this is what scares me the most. That it will take too long for another leader to come along and set the ship on the right course again. It makes me think that we are passengers on the Titanic. Headed for the disaster which awaits us without knowing what is about to happen. We know that there is ice about this time of year, but we are merrily speeding up the ship and hurrying towards our disaster with not a care in the world.

I guess, getting back on topic of poaching, that the poacher recently killed by lions, was of the subsistance variety. (Then again, we will never really know the true facts.) I do not see them as the same threat as those who poach for ivory and rhino horn. They are still no doubt a menace since they indisciminately place snares which injure many animals probably not intended to be "Snared". It is however, the more organised lot that present the bigger problem. It is these paochers that need to be taken out. On the ground though, and in the dark hours of night, how does one differentiate? I guess the only way is to treat them all as the same. Hunt them down and treat them like the scourge they truly are. For the long term prospects are that we will wipe out all the animals and then surely, we are soon to follow as a species.

After all our desires to enrich ourselves, and to end up only enriching the fossil records would be ironic.
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Re: Poaching

Unread postby ndloti » Wed Mar 31, 2010 9:45 am

Well trained specialist trackers are required in great numbers to cover the vast areas .
The old shool of well disciplined good soldiers is all that is required to train them well .
KNP is sacred. I am opposed to the modernisation of Kruger and from the depths of my soul long for the Kruger of yesteryear! 1000+km on foot in KNP incl 56 wild trails.200+ nights in the wildernessndloti-indigenous name for serval.

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Rhino poaching

Unread postby Wildlover » Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:28 pm

My sister is a gameranger and she works at the Pilanse burg. Where 1 blackrhino was kild. And on sat evenig 2 Rhino's were kild in Lipopo. I wish Peopel whould stop. :twisted: :evil: :twisted: :evil: :twisted:
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Re: Rhino poaching

Unread postby wildfreak » Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:08 pm

sad :cry: :cry:
hearing about such incidents just makes me :x

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Re: Poaching

Unread postby BunnyHugger » Thu Apr 01, 2010 7:24 am

Wildlover, for this type of thing to stop, the rules / laws have to apply firstly to all equally, and then they have to be enforced.

Not sure if was Missings.a or OWN that mentioned earlier that one can have "the best laws in the worldm but they are useless unless they are enforced." (Forgive me if not quoted absolutely correct, but that is the gyst of what was said.)
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Re: Poaching

Unread postby onewithnature » Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:23 am

BunnyHugger, I admire your ability to succinctly and, with continuity, set down your thoughts with wisdom and impact! :clap: :clap: :clap: I learn from you in many ways. :thumbs_up:
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Re: Poaching

Unread postby JenB » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:24 am

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Re: Poaching

Unread postby Wildlover » Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:42 am

BunnyHugger wrote:Wildlover, for this type of thing to stop, the rules / laws have to apply firstly to all equally, and then they have to be enforced.

Not sure if was Missings.a or OWN that mentioned earlier that one can have "the best laws in the worldm but they are useless unless they are enforced." (Forgive me if not quoted absolutely correct, but that is the gyst of what was said.)


It's true wat u are saing . But it's ph's that are starting to hunt(poach) the animels and they are flying over the game farms and shoot the animels out of the planes. But I wish the farms Would put out some watch towers and put in camaras to spot these poachers to make the job easier for everybody. :?
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Re: Poaching

Unread postby BunnyHugger » Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:47 pm

:sniper: the planes and the choppers down.

Wildlover, I'm not sure what you are saying when you talk about the PH's.

In order for evil men to triumph, it is only necessary that good men do nothing. (Not sure who said that originally, but it is such a true statement.
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Re: Poaching

Unread postby Wildlover » Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:32 pm

BunnyHugger wrote:In order for evil men to triumph, it is only necessary that good men do nothing. (Not sure who said that originally, but it is such a true statement


So on Witch side are u .GOOD or BAD. Good people mustn't just sit and do nothing but protect the animels because 1day oure grandchildren won't even know like we don't know how animels looked example, the cape lion exetra. :? :? :x
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Re: Poaching

Unread postby BunnyHugger » Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:09 pm

Wildlover. I like to think of myself as one the ambasadors of nature. Certainly of KNP.

I also like to think of myself as being on the side of the good men, hence the reason why I call a spade a shovel from time to time.

Click on the link on my signature and it will take you to a thread we started to raise funds of Anti Poaching. (All good and well to beat our chests as Missings.a so succinctly told me yesterday, but sometimes speech is not enough. We need to get involved and do stuff. So, I'm trying to get involved and do stuff. But when I can't, I like to at least voice my displeasure or opinions. You see, I seem to have an overated opinion of my opinion.) :huh:
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Re: Poaching

Unread postby Wildlover » Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:56 pm

It's good to know that somepeople are traing to make a differince I understand wat u are saing and it's a good idea to raise funds .BUT wat are you goeing to do with the money? :huh:
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Re: Poaching

Unread postby BunnyHugger » Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:03 pm

I thoiught it might be a fine idea to go down to the army surplus store and buy a few RPG7 rocket launchers to :sniper: a few planes or helicopters. :lol:

The money will be donated to SANPARKS for their anti Poaching units. Maybe we can make enough money for them to pay me to join the unit. :wink: :whistle:
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Re: Poaching

Unread postby Wildlover » Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:11 pm

Hahahahahahaha, like to know more and I mait just join jou with that and :sniper: some poacers down and out.
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