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Re: Kruger staff travelling after closing time

Unread postby Penny » Sun May 27, 2012 1:23 pm

Either its a Conservation area or its not - frankly whether the driver of the vehicle has a disc or is simply waved through because of the ruling that staff can move freely between Skukuza village and the Paul Kruger Gate - it does not really matter - the point is why are they allowed to do so. Trust me I live on a very busy road and I know the sound of a car travelling at a speed of over 120 (remember that up to that gate is a public road - albeit with game crossing) and then hearing the vehicle gearing down because the gate is closed. You can hear them take off on the other side too.

I agree there are some wonderful people working in Kruger and they should not be maligned but generally speaking I am sorry to say that standards have slipped to an all time low. At a recent wedding we attended the staff who did the "dancing" were so drunk that it was a matter of conjecture as to when they were going to fall over.

We have filled in umpteen report back cards, spoken with camp managers at length and even had the Tourism council visit us when we have been staying in the Park but sadly very little has changed and we are now on repeat visits to the same camps where the problems we brought to their attention are even more advanced than they were when we reported them.

I believe that a dedicated phone call from someone prepared to follow up each and every complaint should be made to anyone who has taken the time and effort to fill in these cards. After all we are the customer and every effort should be made to ensure that we return satisfied again and again!
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Re: Kruger staff travelling after closing time

Unread postby missings.a.! » Sun May 27, 2012 2:36 pm

Nicolette wrote:Sorry but how would the mangement see Hotels as the answer. I dont think that addresses the problem at all. I also dont think Management would think that. A hotel would not stop driving around at night or restaurants in camps being below standard. I think they are trying to attract more people who want up market service. I am not saying I approve here but I dont think the Hotels are the issue. I think its lack of skills and management not having control. The staff need better training and mentoring. I have found that Management are willing especially if the concerns are addressed when they happen. Satara for example if you speak to Management concerns and problems are immediately addressed. The speeding at night is another issue. The idea of Security discs makes sense many Companies do this. Its easy then (but costly) to have swiping points at camps and gates and camp villages. This would stop people coming and going esp those who shouldnt be there. Just a thought.



Firstly, the staff at the camps are not management as such. So they can only react to problems and to some extent try to keep up.

Not all decision are complicated. If the actual management of the park, the top tier, are constantly presented with complaints about accommodation broken or unclean, poor quality and service in restaurants, people driving around at night, etc etc.

They they can obviously conclude that demand for higher standards are not being met. A hotel group makes a presentation that they will build hotels that will meet the demands of the mid market, black diamonds and whatever and hotels can seem a good idea.

In reality, what most visitors want, is clean huts, basic but tasty food with a choice and the feeling they are actually staying and sleeping in the African bush.

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Re: Kruger staff travelling after closing time

Unread postby Boorgatspook » Sun May 27, 2012 3:04 pm

I for one don't have a problem with staff that have to drive after gate closing time. If they do exceed the speed limit, then I will have a problem with that but not with asking why they are allowed driving after gate closing time or before gate opening time for that matter. Really, have you all considered the fact that the shops are open an hour after gate closing time, and with the restaurants till much later in the evening? So how on earth are these staff going to get to their homes - on foot in the dark perhaps?? Breaking another rule?? :razz:

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Re: Kruger staff travelling after closing time

Unread postby Weltenman » Sun May 27, 2012 4:16 pm

Good points Boorgatspook, we all want the restaurants to be open until 10pm, we want to be able to quickly run into the shop after we return from our afternoon drive just as the gate closes, but we don't want the staff that has to stay and run the shops and restaurants to return home? Sure, have them stay close to camps, but then we have the problem that is being mentioned as well, more people in the villages.
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Re: Kruger staff travelling after closing time

Unread postby Penny » Sun May 27, 2012 4:27 pm

I do not think we are talking about people going home an hour after shops and receptions close we are in fact talking about traffic right through the night at high speeds. Nobody would expect staff to go home to the Skukuza village on foot - it is the traffic through PK Gate right through the night that is an issue. The same thing happens with the staff from the concessions that use both Orpen and Crocodile bridge gate except in this instance they are normally either in taxis or busses. Ask the Talamati staff about the speed that these vehicles travel at - its a talked about fact. The concessions that leave the Park through Crocodile Bridge Gate do so after 10 p.m. at night. This is not considered normal traffic in a game reserve by any stretch of imagination. The traffic on the road at night is a major problem as the officials at the gates have no idea who is gaining access to the Park and who leaves again. When I hear that a rhino has been poached almost on Skukuza's doorstep then I realise that this is all part of the problem. I re-iterate the issue is not staff going from the camp to the village but visitors and staff having access to the village from the gate right through the night!
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Re: Kruger staff travelling after closing time

Unread postby JenB » Sun May 27, 2012 4:59 pm

zeelie wrote:.................., and that when they stayed at pretoriuskop they also noted the "afterdark traffic" , as they call it. :hmz:

That might have been us. :)
When we were there, we did try to tiptoe to the gate to not disturb the other visitors tho. :redface: :wink:

Not everyone who looks like staff in private vehicles are staff, they might be Honorary Rangers on duty and all H.R.'s use their own transport. The SANParks, H.R.'s, SAPS and the Army guys patrol the roads all night long to combat poaching.
We did have to make very late night loo stops at Skukuza and we always had to sign in and out and security made very sure that we were authorized to leave camp.


Kruger is awesome in the dead of night. :)

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Re: Kruger staff travelling after closing time

Unread postby Boorgatspook » Sun May 27, 2012 6:25 pm

I think the origin of this topic went astray ....

zeelie wrote:Maybe this question was asked before, but why are sanpark personell alowed to travel after gate closing time?

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Re: Kruger staff travelling after closing time

Unread postby gerharddb » Mon May 28, 2012 8:08 am

I for one also happen to know that if a staff member want to drive at night, he/she does need to get the right permit to do so from the section ranger. Or in the northern part it works like that. If its not work related that is.

So its not a case of "I want to go to my family outside the park and will return when I want to even if its 2am in the morning and now i can do what I want.."

He/ She will need to have a permit to show, otherwise they will sleep outside the park or be fined( and they do get fined) if caught without the permit while driving at night.
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Re: Kruger staff travelling after closing time

Unread postby threedogs » Mon May 28, 2012 8:12 am

gerharddb: that sounds as it should be :thumbs_up:
Is this system in place in the south :hmz:
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Re: Kruger staff travelling after closing time

Unread postby wacktazz » Mon May 28, 2012 8:15 am

Let me try to help. Staff are allowed to travel 24 hours per day in most camps to the nearest gate. Reason for this is because some staff stay outside knp and some work in restaurants that work untill late at night, whom might be off the next day or three, so naturally they want to go home on the same night. Another reason is that ranger staff also need to start patrolling during nighttime, etc. You can, however only travel when your vehicle has a valid permit on it.
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Re: Kruger staff travelling after closing time

Unread postby wacktazz » Mon May 28, 2012 9:02 am

Gerhard, this is correct when there is no closeby gate, like ls. Otherwise they are permitted to drive at night
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Re: Kruger staff travelling after closing time

Unread postby WillBen » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:19 pm

Sho, good to see that wacktazz is around to clear things up. It doesnt take much for a thread to snowball into a threat on this forum. Next thing you see is night drives being organised by individuals because they dont understand why its necessary for the staff in a game reserve that hosts thousands of people a year to travel after dark.

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Re: Kruger staff travelling after closing time

Unread postby Mubi » Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:37 pm

What strikes me most here is that after two months of dicussion/debate over the issue, no simple formal statement or answer from a KNP or camp official is forthcoming to clarify the issue in any way.

Surely a reasonably simple concise statement explaining what is/is not allowed under certain circumstances would avoid any assumptions or speculation made. If there are exceptions and concessions granted to staff or outside contractors then why can't these be simply and plainly stated.

Then genuine abuses of the conditions can be reported and acted upon and someone quietly and genuinely going home or out on legitimate business from a camp after hours within the rules can do so without being accused of being a rule-breaker.

Or am I w-a-y oversimplifying things....?


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