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 Post subject: Re: Breaking the rules ???
Unread postPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 1:24 pm 
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threedogs wrote:
Personally I don't care what people do if it only affects THEIR safety. (If you don't want to put seatbelts on your kids that's your business not mine.) But I would appreciate it if others do not do anything which will potentially affect MY safety. Like kids on driver's laps or worse, what I saw last year - an eight or ten year old driving the car without assistance! :shock:


Exactly! Which is why I said that the driver going 80 km/hr was the more serious offender - he was putting everyone on that road in danger, not just himself! I doubt that the driver with the child on his lap was putting anyone but him and his passengers in danger... as long as he drove as slowly as he said.


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 Post subject: Re: Breaking the rules ???
Unread postPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:02 pm 
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threedogs wrote:
I never stated that kids should or shouldn't be in seatbelts in the park -( I wouldn't have put mine in them because I wouldn't have brought them under about 6yrs old because they were horrors and I have no patience :lol:)
I just don't think kids on driver's laps or actually driving by themselves :big_eyes: is good for my safety or animals' safety.

@Dabchick: I totally agree with the premise of what you are saying which is why I asked my question to qualify what you were saying - whether you were referring to non seat belt wearing in general (everywhere) or just in the park. Having been through what we have been through I just get frustrated if I think someone can't see the risks of not wearing a belt on an everyday basis. Happily you choose the sensible option. :thumbs_up: Wearing a belt in the park, keeping to posted speeds, is a personal choice and like most people I often do not wear one myself. Although last year the hire car beeped continuously if I didn't put it on until I worked out to do it up and sit on it. :lol:


Don't tell me... you've hired a Terios? :lol:

:thumbs_up: Our trick with the beeping car.... Take the seat belt around the back of the seat and "pluck it in" from behind... they are not in the way ... no screaming alarm.... :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Breaking the rules ???
Unread postPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:51 am 
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Protruding in the park:

If an arm is outside the car because one is genuinely taking a picture, this cannot be against the rule. When body parts like head, shoulders etc protrude from an open window, sunroof or door on undesignated areas, then they’ll be breaching the rule. :naughty:

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 Post subject: Re: Breaking the rules ???
Unread postPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:56 pm 
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Dabchick wrote:
Btw, have you noticed: all the cars in the above pic stayed on the left side of the road to watch a sighting on the right side of the road. Isn't the rule that you must park on the side of the road that the sighting is on, leaving enough space on the other side for other vehicles to pass (in whatever direction)? (Not keep left, pass right in the KNP... it all depends on where the sighting is...)

:hmz:

It is a good point you raise there Dabchick. Park on the side of the sighting. Unless you have an animal right next to the road of coarse and you do not want to disturb it :wink: Because disturbing the animal is against the rules! So we need to use common sense I think.

Sometimes you have lions in the road and cars sometimes politely move to the extreme sides of the road (on left and right in order to keep the view of the animal open to all. That is not a rule. But it makes sense and it is in the spirit of game viewing :hmz:

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 Post subject: Re: Breaking the rules ???
Unread postPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:02 pm 
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I don't want to start a big thing here, and I know I am going to be slated for this, but this past weekend I was pulled over by a traffic officer in Kruger for the first time. :redface:

She drove past me in the opposite direction, suddenly turned around and came racing back to me with blue light flashing and siren screaming. I was quite worried, and thought what now ????

Well I am sorry to say I was guilty. I'm sure this has been discussed on the forum before, but I had my 3 year old son sitting on my lap "helping me drive" and spotting animals. Boy that lady was upset - how dare I break the rules so blatantly.....

Come on guys....really ???? I know rules are rules, and no matter how big or small they should be adhered to, but what is the problem with this ? I'm driving 20/30km/h and I'm in total control of the vehicle. If I spot elephants, or traffic I simply take him off my lap and he goes to sit in the back. (I drive a kombi). Where in any of this is anyone's life in danger ???? Many of us have been sitting on our dad's laps driving through Kruger since we were tiny. I have never heard of any incident where someone with a kid on their lap caused an accident ?

The worst of all was that minutes before I was pulled off a White Fortuner came racing past doing at least 80km/h. Earlier the morning we had people hanging out their cars at a wild dog sighting, but I get pulled for having my son on my lap. It's not right....

anyone else feel the same way, or am I going to be blasted here ?


I read through all the posts and it seems that we are busy discussing two different situations that might occur, one is breaking a park rule (for our own safety) and in the other is transgressing an Act/Law/regulation.

When looking at the first two paragraphs of jb72's story, the traffic officer actually attended to a situation were section 308 of the National Road Traffic Regulations, 1999 was transgressed and not a Park rule for that matter. Section 308 (1) (d) states " No person driving or having a vehicle on a public road shall – when driving such vehicle, permit any person to take hold of or interfere with the steering or operating mechanism of the vehicle" and (e) states " No person driving or having a vehicle on a public road shall – when driving such vehicle, occupy such position that he or she does not have complete control over the vehicle or does not have a full view of the roadway and the traffic ahead of such vehicle".

Just wondered what could have happened if the little one turned the steering whilst the Fortuner came racing past :hmz:.
I might be wrong but as far as I know these traffic officers have to attend to both situations that might occur, breaking a rule of the park and transgressing the law.
I am happy not to be them :thumbs_up:

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 Post subject: Re: Breaking the rules ???
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DuQues wrote:
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Personally, I prefer to believe KNP Spokesman.

You can, but then be a gentleman/lady and accept the fine with a smile and friendly word when you get it. ;)

His post is from about 7 years ago, the one Lesego posted from now. And she asked the people that hand out the fines what the rules are, so that is the current situation.


I suppose it is because of idiots that sit on their "window sills" or protrude from the hips upwards from their sun-roofs that the rule has changed since 7 years ago :evil: ... now fairly law-abiding visitors who only sticks a finger or elbow or occasional ear (okay, head, arms and bins) out the window get punished, which is slightly ridiculous when you think about it (always excepting at predator and other dangerous animal sightings) :evil:


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 Post subject: Re: Breaking the rules ???
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Or would that fall under putting anyone in the car at risk? :hmz:


A question with a question: Can you aviod an accident by wearing a safetybelt or might it only help to save your life in such an instance?

Probably not. Because of the slow speed of impact :hmz:

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 Post subject: Re: Breaking the rules ???
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cheetah2111 wrote:
Do normal road rules apply? :hmz:

Yes.

But due to the kind of driving done (at 25 km/h normally) many thing that you would normally get a fine for are ignored. Like the seatbelt for instance.

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 Post subject: Re: Breaking the rules ???
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If normal road rules apply, then guys should be bust for driving shirtless.


Not that I am "guilty" of that (my tummy is too big to show off), but is it really against the law to drive without a shirt? I recall (a few years ago) a rumour going around that you are not allowed to drive barefeet. I asked a traffic officer one day if it is true. I was told it is not against the law to drive barefeet. As a matter of fact it is actually regarded that you should have better control of the pedals than with shoes on.

If there's truth in it that you may not drive shirtless - what will the reason be? Or are you joking cheetha2111?

The shirtless rule is in fact a law. It is distracting to other drivers. My mate was even fined for it :slap:
The rule about the shoes thing is you have to drive with closed shoes I think :hmz: You get fined if you are barefeet and your flip flops are stored in the section between the pedals and the seat. The reason being that they can slide into the pedals :hmz:

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On the shirt less theme , I was stopped last year at the T junction with the main road from berg-en-dahl where the police were doing a stop and check and I was informed by a grumpy policeman that I needed to put my top on as it was against the law....the policelady who stopped me didnt seem to mind though :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Breaking the rules ???
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What I have learned personally from this thread is that it is not good to break the rules in Kruger.
The consequences for the safety of visitors and nature and the wildlife as indicated by recent examples are not positive.
We have read on the forum regarding visitors who provoked an elephant and another example of how a contractor’s vehicle at high speed drove over twelve impalas leaving 4 dead and another eight that need to be put down as there backs are broken.

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