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 Post subject: Re: selfish people
Unread postPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 1:56 pm 
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DuQues wrote:
All about cats.....

Now just a simple question, how many times did you see a car parked at a side of the road?
Nothing to be seen, so on you go, maybe after stopping there as well?

And not realising that you may have disturbed a birdsighting of note?
It's not all about cats... Or even Big 5.

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 Post subject: Re: selfish people
Unread postPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 2:48 pm 
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When I started this topic it was just to comment on my experience.
I was not expecting to sit there for hours but I would have liked to have enjoyed the sighting for a bit longer.
The lions were neither asleep or just laying there, the cub was trying to play with each one in turn it was great to see the adults different reactions, not something you see very often I can't imagine where the chap that drove through was in such a rush to get to at 7am in the morning down a dirt road.
Yes I do watch the impala and baboons.
We have been to the park 3 times in a year from the UK and will be returning in September.
We enjoy every minute with these beautiful animals however big or small including the birds


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 Post subject: Re: selfish people
Unread postPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 3:49 pm 
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Agree with Mikath and if you need to be at the Airport first thing, then stay at a Camp like Orpen or Croc Bridge.
Too bad if you are in a hurry, should have planned better!

There is no excuse for spoiling other peoples pleasure, whatever they happen to be watching. :evil:
And just because someone has ' seen it all before, written the book and got the tee shirt' , (i.e 55 Lions, ) they should still afford other people courtesy.
We need to remember that patience is a virtue!

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 Post subject: Re: selfish people
Unread postPosted: Fri May 21, 2010 4:34 pm 
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We also had a couple of irritating problems last weekend .
Early Saturday morning found wild dogs in the road.
We were third in line
The guy in the front car was out the window taking pictures while still driving.
The poor dogs just had to keep on running.
If they stopped he probably would have driven right over them.
I got really irritated as did other people coming in the opposite direction.
I eventually drove past and stopped in front of the guy and the dogs became calm and stood around doing what dogs do.
Maybe the guy was just ignorant.

The other instance was on Sunday morning when 4 male lions walked up the road from Berg en Dal direction Afsaal.
It looked like the N1 on a Friday afternoon.
That was all well and fine at least some people in front would watch for a while pass the lions and the next in line would get the front view.
All of a sudden a guy from way back was moving in and out of the 2 lanes of traffic , cutting in front of everybody nearly running over a lion and off he went.
I know he must have been in a hurry, but a couple of km's back was another road running parallel to the tar road with no traffic .
He could just as easy have turned backed taken this round and missed all of the traffic.

I think the no respect part is very apt

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 Post subject: Re: selfish people
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It is important to note that the rules state that at sightings you should park on the side of the road with the sighting so others do not ruin your sighting by driving between you and whatever it is.
Also the lane opposite the sighting MUST BE KEPT FREE for those who need/want to drive past.
If everyone did this then a lot of the problems mentioned above would be avoided.

I also fully agree that it is extremely selfish to 'hog' a sighting just because you were there first (or almost first) and have the time to do so.
Drive on and come back again a little later maybe if it is a pride of lions doing very little.

If the animals are on the move then drop back and allow someone else to take first place for a while, or even slowly and gently edge past them - it is usually possible if done with care.

And NEVER park across the road to block it completely and also spoil the views of others behind you!

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 Post subject: Re: selfish people
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I agree 100% with you EJ!! :clap:
For me it is extremely selfish for the "first visitors" at a sighting to expect that everybody else, way behind seeing nothing, should stay put till the "first visitors" had their oooohhhs and aaaahhhs while blocking the road!

Come on people, take your pics and give everybody a chance as well! :thumbs_up:


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 Post subject: Re: selfish people
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So, if everybody followed the sighting rules of keeping a lane open as EJ has pointed out, there wouldn't be a problem. :thumbs_up:

Now if only we can change human nature. :tongue:

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 Post subject: Re: selfish people
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The rules are clearly stated on the leaflet given to everyone with their permit - if only people would read it a lot of problems would be avoided!

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 Post subject: Re: Park and Road Etiquette
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Dabchick wrote:
but I once actually read the rules of the park in the map book, and if I remember correctly, it states that one Should park on the side of the road on which the sighting is, leaving enough space on the other side for other cars to pass. The rest of the time one should keep left and pass right. And one may never block the road completely (but this only happens at cats sightings right? :wink: )


Quite correct! I just wish more people (and yes that includes many forumites too) would actually read the rules on the gate leaflet. So much confusion and many misconceptions would be solved! :rtm:

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 Post subject: Re: Park and Road Etiquette
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All rules, logic and consideration go out the window at Cat sightings. :wall:

You will find people blocking the road at all angles, people hanging out windows, people out of sunroofs, people even outside their cars completely. No-one wants to move or let others pass or get even a small glimpse of the wildlife.

Unfortunately there is little anyone can do about these things as it is just too common and too widespread to control by the authorities. If the incident is spotted by the authorities they are usually outnumbered at the scene and will get abuse and ignored. If the incident is reported after the event it is too late to do anything about other than to impose some punishment to the lawbreakers (proof is needed and hard to come by).

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 Post subject: Re: Park and Road Etiquette
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I do prefer to just sit on my side of the road, a bit away cause being a large vehicle I do not want to block the sighting for others. And I can usually see past/over them. I sometimes think thats the better choice for big vehicles. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Park and Road Etiquette
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....Until the next big vehicle (who isn't as kind) comes along and parks between you and the sighting... We tried this too, for a while, until we realised that the next big vehicle will have no shame in parking in your exact view of whatever it is that you're looking at! :evil:

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 Post subject: Re: Park and Road Etiquette
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Why do people insist on having their engines runing non stop at sightings, I understand why you might want to when near elephants. There is nothing worse than the sound of an overheating engines fan runing while watching a rhino feeding just next to the road!

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 Post subject: Re: selfish people
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I must admit, I am very conscious of delaying at a sighting and have probably missed out on a lot of good goings on, but that's the luck of the draw.
If I'm the only vehicle there, I'll stay put to enjoy, but as soon as other people arrive and one of them is having a problem seeing because of his/her position, I move on.
Too many people sit for too long and to heck with others piling up around the sighting waiting their turn.
Here's a question....you arrive at a sighting where there are say 20 cars ahead of you.
Where you are, you can't see a thing.
You sit tight waiting your turn until you calculate that by the time you get to be in a position to see anything half the day will have passed or whatever is of interest will have moved off with all the activity anyway.
Do you think to yourself "I'll just sit here forever so as not to spoil anything", or do you try to move on very very carefully so that the people hogging the sighting don't end up spoiling the rest of your day because you were unable to get to the places you wanted to go to for the day and possible future sightings?


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 Post subject: Re: selfish people
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If I see a large number of cars I get past as quickly as possible (moving slowly of course!).
There are plenty of stories to show that these jams upset the animals and can lead to tragedies (Lower Sabie at least twice recently for example).
Often that has led to even better sightings.......a lion jam with lions way off in the river bed and when I moved off a leopard on the road all to myself for several minutes is just one example.

And when traveling with the caravan I only stop when no other cars are there.

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