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Unread postPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:39 am 
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I must remember not to assist, make them sit a little longer till help arrives sometime in the next day or 2. Yes it has happenned folks, 2 days no water, no food, no bath.


In the south of Kuger? On what road was that…..sounds like the perfect road for me to travel on….would not mind seeing no other cars for two day....or even 2 hours! :wink:

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Planning a route that my guests will experience nature at its best, knowing ahead of time what may be encountered (or what can be avoided most of the time) is used to plan their entertainment for the day.


Is “calling in sightings” not against the agreement you guys have with SANParks? :?

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Planning a route to try and cover one or two different areas, showing people that its not at all like a programme on National Geographic, where one sees the migration, Lion kill, leopard kill, cheetah hunt, wild dog and hyena interaction ............ all in an hour, is that the real thing, Africa!!.


Don’t you think this dilemma you find yourself in might be reduced with more honest marketing of the service you can offer and with what the park entails?


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Unread postPosted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 11:07 am 
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At considerable risk I have to say :
The large number of Safari vehicle operators , along with over commercialisation of the Kruger in the many ways we are familiar with , have considerably lessened my enjoyment of the Kruger . Do any other forumites agree ?


To quote this , and the replies directly after it .

Unless you have experience of Kruger and how it was pre OSV's , you can not get involved here , I share Ndloti's comments , as the amount of traffic in the park very often messes up what used to be a wonderful experience .

This is why I asked about the radios , as you find that the good sightings soon get "swarmed" , due to the calling in of everyone , the osv traffic gets unnaturally distributed into small areas , rather than spread out all doing there own thing .

I do not see the need for radios in the south of the park(Agree with Jumbo , where on earth is this magical road without vehicles !!! ), and if an osv is a well run organization , then they should surely know if one of there vehicles has not returned to base camp , and will have a planned route filed to go look for them .

I do not even want to begin to describe what I want to do when I have spotted something and an osv pulles up and the first thing the JJ does (Before even adressing his tourists sometimes) is to "spread the news" , knowing full well that within minutes the sighting will be overcrowded .
I think this is the biggest problem , and what people detest the most .

What has been said about the parks income is most pertanent , and of course the park has to pay its way (And pay for a lot of the smaller ones also !) , I would rather have 1000 OSV's through the park than have no park at all , but I don't want all 1000 at my leopard sighting !!!


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Ok now I have read this for a few days, holding myself back to comment :roll: , but the time has come....to say what I believe...JJ's have a roll to play...no matter if they have overseas visitors or locals just out for the day...this is their bread and butter...they have to show whatever they can and maybe get a tip at the end..depending on what the day delivers... :redface: ...Saying that, if I was an overseas visitor I would like to see whatever Kruger has to offer, meaning if another vehicle spotted something..I would be very peed off if my driver did not take me there...if it was close enough...I think JJ's should tell their guests that there is a lion kill...etc...30km away...we can get there within 30 minutes or so....but we are going to disturb some ppl on the way...meaning you...trying to take a pic of a bird on the tree while we are speeding along...to get to the sighting..so you, the JJ can get a nice tip...really ppl ...every one has to make a living..and if your choice is to be a guide, then let it be so...make the most of the day for your visitors, but remember those of us who can only get to the park maybe once a year..we want to enjoy all, not just the big 5...just sitting at a dam or waterhole..enjoying the peace and quite can do a lot for the sole, without you arriving and spoil the scene...AND I must say...this thread has not done justise to those who do believe in nature...we tend to complain more than congratulate the JJ's and all I WANT to say thanks to those who are aware of this thread and do take the general public's view into consideration...and those who take the time to read the SANparks website and correct what they do wrong...

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Perhaps I am not with the times anymore , but calling up colleagues by 2 way radio , or being told of sightings and hurrying up to see them is like pirate TV viewing (roofkyk in Afrikaans) .
I usually edge my way past this congestion and seek peace elsewhere , to experience tranquility is of course why most of us go to the Kruger , and not to the zoo .

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Hey groovy want to add to my thread in chit chat on my beautiful moments and the ridiculous things guests can do to us - keep it either a description of something special or light an humorous. Your presence over there would be welcome -no winging.

I think what a lot of people do not appreciate is that in reality most jeep jockys like us do not really need radios to end up in the same place. Because we are in our respective parks day in and day out we have a very good idea of where, how and why animals are moving. Here the different companies radios are not linked and I have access to only one other vehicles radio. However in my last leopard sighting five companies were represented - no radio use we simply know that for the last few days a relatively friendly old guy has been cruising that area in the late afternoon so we do to.

Our elephants migrate using one particular Vally to rest before crossing the last hill range and they settling in the north for winter - all it needs is someone to mention the time and place that they crossed the road in the morning on this last push and the older guides will know at what time and where the main migrating heard will cross the river that evening. It has got so that some of these elephants treat us like old friends not seen for months and will offer loud greeting rumbles if they come across guides they know.

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If I can add my experiences here. We visited KNP in September for a couple of weeks. No offence to you guys (Groovy and Jeanus) you sound like nice people, but the JJ's seriously p*ssed me off. Anybody who wants to start their morning in Kruger on a sour note should enter at Kruger gate. We stayed just outside the gate for 4 nights, and they were the worst of the trip purely because of happenings in the mornings. The OSV's would race past you on the bridge, and drive like maniacs just to be at the gate first. Sometimes we would be sitting at the gate for 30 mins only to be raced past and pushed out the way by some ignorant Jeep Jockey. Then the first one there will sign in for his mates too, who are still on their way. You end up standing in the q for ages. Once again I'm sure this would not be all the operators acting like this, but it only takes a few.....

Our other experience was on our last morning in the park (15th of September - maybe someone else was there). We were told by a JJ (see the good ones do exist) about a leopard sighting on the gravel road that connects the Napi and Doispane Roads just before Transport dam. When we arrived there were about 5 OSV's, but within minutes there were at least 10. It was total chaos - everybody was behaving very well, but we were parked in completely. I started talking to one of the JJ's (who by the way was extreemly friendly, and an absoluut gent), and he said that it was a very quiet morning, and there were no other sightings being called on the radio, so everybody was coming here. I swear even more OSV's were arriving. Eventually my new mate pushed open a path for us and we could leave - what a mess !!!

I am not like most of the forumites someone who have been going to the park for many years, but experiences like that just put you off the place, and makes you wonder why OSV's need radios. At least the Leopard was not bothered, and he was still fast asleep when we left.....


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Lets see if the problem can be put into some semblence of order.
Overcrowding at a sighting is not a SANPARK problem!
If the overcrowding is caused by a minority that use radios to create an overcrowding problem then suely it is a SANP problem.
Why can SANP not monitor the radio messages and then apply a disiplinary action if need be. Surely their service agreement as stated by Jumbo says "if enough complaints are received" How many more does SANP want?
If someone can monitor the radios surley we will find where the problem really lies the finger pointing and animosity can be laid to rest.

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There might be people here who think posting about an experience with an OSV on the forum, is a complaint. This is not the case. You need to log an official complaint with SANParks.

I would be interested in hearing from KNPS how many complaints SANParks received the past three months. Perhaps you could give us some insight as to what happens with a complaint, Raymond.


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Unread postPosted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:36 am 
gwendolen wrote:
There might be people here who think posting about an experience with an OSV on the forum, is a complaint. This is not the case. You need to log an official complaint with SANParks.


I do not think the public knows that they can log a complaint against an OSV at SANParks. I think most people, if they complain, contact the SOV company themselves…and who knows what actually happens to those complaints.
Maybe SANParks should have a specific number for complaints against OSV’s and force all OSV’s to display this number on their vehicles…the “How is my driving” type of thing.


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Jumbo wrote:
Maybe SANParks should have a specific number for complaints against OSV’s and force all OSV’s to display this number on their vehicles…the “How is my driving” type of thing.


Another simple yet brilliant concept jumbo !
It could even go on your entry permit , and all osv's should have a unique short identity number .


It is apparent from this thread that there are two very differing communitys visiting the park , namely osv's and fit's (I shudder to think of what this means) .
It is not healthy that there is such a dislike amongst the two .


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I'm not so sure that SANParks only responds to an official complaint lodged with them. When I posted comments on our unpleasant experience with an OSV companies driver, we had an immediate response from the mentioned OSV company. So it looks like SANParks monitors this tread and does take action, when warranted.


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I agree that some of those Jeep jocks have appaling manners, but I have sometimes found one or two (not many) who have been prepared to share info and have been polite. I read somewhere else on this forum (can't for the life of me find it now) that there is a strict code of conduct for them and that you should report bad bahaviour etc to the camp or at the gates and they get fined and disciplined. So take photgraphic proof and report them!! :twisted:

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I hope it works on a 3 strikes and you're out system cos otherwise your comment is a very good point :twisted:

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yay they get a fine and disciplined but push in front of two passionate people at a lion sighting and get a $100 tip...they should stop them completely!


Hi Mike1916

Please PM me with all the relevant details: time, place, date, company concerned etc and if you have a photograph, this will also be appreciated.

Hi Forum Folks

Please, and I am repeating myself on this issue, PLEASE report this to the relevant authorities with real details so that we can actually do something about it. You are welcome to PM me with these details or, alternatively, send them to the HOD Tourism and Marketing Ms Lucy Nhlapo on email lucyn@sanparks.org so that she can take action against them.

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