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Re: KNP after 50 years

Unread postby Tony T » Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:53 pm

Hi DQ,

Yep, must have been 1958/59. My dad towed a caravan (which a friend built) all the way from Cape Town.
My dad was into 8mm Cine film photography (colour) which I still have, would you believe. (He caught a lion kill but when he got the film back from processing the actual kill was missing).
We are booked into Croc Bridge 14/15 Sept. Lower Sabie 16/17/18/19 and Satara 20/21.
Yes I'm looking forward to the photo oppurtunities.

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Re: KNP after 50 years

Unread postby DuQues » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:06 am

You're going to like the birding I think... :wink:

I have a couple of dvd's with the super 8 films from just a few years later, so I can really prove I don't like spinach at all! (Still don't.)

You are going to see 2 special things I think, Duke, which is special, tusks or not, and wild dogs. You're in the right area! Well, if I must bgelieve a lot of the reports that is. So keep your eyes peeled!
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Re: KNP after 50 years

Unread postby arks » Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:39 am

My first KNP visit (and first RSA visit) was 25 years ago this coming October. KNP has changed quite a bit since then, so it will have changed even more over 50 years.

I think, given your familiarity with KTP and Namibia, that you might prefer the less traveled northern parts of Kruger, but of course there is more concentration of game in the south (but also far more visitors and less likelihood of having sightings to yourself, altho of course it does happen — but in my experience, rarely :( ). I think that if you go with an open mind, you will have an enjoyable and rewarding time, but you may want to return again to explore the north and to try some of the lovely bushcamps. Just don't wait another 50 years!! :wink:

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Re: KNP after 50 years

Unread postby Bush Baptist » Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:15 am

There is a thread somewhere comparing the old days. Maybe someone can find it. I went first in 1956.
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Re: KNP after 50 years

Unread postby binkybozo » Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:21 am

we just got back from a week at lower sabie. we spent an hour and a half with cheetah on the s28 mostly to ourselves, only had two cars come up the whole time we were there but cars just came took some photos and left. we spent almost two hours with 11 sleeping lion cubs next to the road on the s21. again, a couple of cars came took photos and left. saw over 100 zebra cross the road on the s29 again only a few cars behind us in the traffic jam. on our way back from mlondozi picnic spot on the s29 saw a failed hunt by three lionesses, again only a few cars around.
barely saw 3 lionesses on the h4-1 because of all cars and tempers starting to go, caught a glimpse of a leopard on the h4-1 again too much traffic and tempers. watched a group of ellies get angry on the h4-1 because people had stopped beside them to take photos but i almost got a good photo of a car being trampled by an ellie....lol!
moral of the story, stay off the main roads go gravel, a lot of the roads in that area have been graded so the driving isn't bad.
the grass is tall in lower sabie at the moment so photography is not at it's best. example, we were driving down the h4-1 one afternoon and out of the corner of my eye i saw something flicker like a tail, i stopped looked and saw nothing, then saw the tail flicker again,only then could we make out that it was a lioness but all you could see of her was her tail and a bit of her head and she was maybe about a meter or more from the car.
do the s28 over and over, lots of rhino there, nice big herds of impala and zebra, cheetah as well, do the s29 to mlondozi and sit a bit at the picnic spot, there is no telling what you will come across there and finally do the s21 n'watimhiri road, good chance of seeing lions on that road.
as for the wild dogs we did not see them till we were up around skukuza and duke we looked but missed him but i've read that he is around the mlondozi loop so good luck. have fun.

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Re: KNP after 50 years

Unread postby Sprocky » Fri Jul 10, 2009 8:29 am

DuQues wrote:Half a century without Kruger! :shock: I have trouble with 2 years!


I can't make it without going in once a week! :whistle:

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Re: KNP after 50 years

Unread postby saraf » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:39 am

Tony T wrote:In Sept 09 I'll be returning to Kruger after 50 years. My SO has never been. I'm just wondering what to expect.
We are sold on Kgalagadi. My SO is a Namibian so I've grown to love the open spaces of the arid plains and wilderness.
We love birds and animals in the wild; we love nature!
We've been to most Parks in SA, but not Kruger over the past 40 years. We want to keep an open mind. One hears so much about comercialisation; the shops, fast food outlets, laundries, conference centres etc. People having come away not seeing the "Big 5" and traffic jams.
As I said I will keep an open mind and rather enjoy the beauty of the bushveld which I vaguely remember.


Hi Tony,

Which camps will you be staying at? Camping or more "solid" accommodation? I hear you about the development and yes you will probably see a lot of changes, but then you will have seen the changes at KTP and Etosha too.

The north is very quiet - I read one trip report recently when the author thought that it was too quiet. But you can usually go a few hours without seeing another car.

The south is busy, because that's were all the animals are and people follow the animals. However even there it is possible to find peace and quiet. There are some lovely roads around Lower Sabie that hardly anyone goes on and we've had some wonderful sightings there.

The shops and fast food - well we have to eat and drink. But they aren't huge Pick n Pays and McDonalds in the middle of the bush either. They stock the basics. The only place I would say to avoid is Skukuza, as that is a big place. But then there's a lovely board walk around the nursery and Lake Panic, which shouldn't be missed.
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Re: KNP after 50 years

Unread postby DinkyBird » Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:54 am

Hi Tony,

Where about in Kruger are you going to be visiting?

To me Kruger is always special. Even if it seems 'busy' at times. There are many not so popular routes within the park one can take to get away from other people.
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Re: KNP after 50 years

Unread postby Elsa » Fri Jul 10, 2009 10:11 am

Tony T wrote:We are booked into Croc Bridge 14/15 Sept. Lower Sabie 16/17/18/19 and Satara 20/21.

Tony, I think you are going to see a LOT of changes after 50 years, but the animals are still the same! :wink:
The camps you have chosen are all in very good game viewing areas.
You will be there just before the school holidays start so crowding should not be too bad.
Other than that, get yourself a new map book as you check in and enjoy. :D
And please let us know how it went and what your thoughts are afterwards, I would love to know.
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Re: KNP after 50 years

Unread postby Tony T » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:45 pm

Once again I've come to the right place for info - works every time. Thanks guys for your input. Closer to the time I will ask specific questions. I would like to plan our game drives before hand so as not to waste time. Thanks Binkybozo you wet my appetite
50 Years is a long time - I only remember a few things - the river that runs past Skakuza, the monkeys in the camp, rondawels in the camp and thats about it.
The lion kill we saw and one other incident. Just after the lion kill around a bend in the road we came across a lorry and workers doing some road repairs. My dad stopped and called to the forman that there were lions just around the corner. He reply was "It's OK we work for the government". A classic that has stayed with me for the 50 years.

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Re: KNP after 50 years

Unread postby DuQues » Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:47 pm

Tony T wrote:He reply was "It's OK we work for the government". A classic that has stayed with me for the 50 years.

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Re: KNP after 50 years

Unread postby Bush Baptist » Fri Jul 10, 2009 1:21 pm

Tony T wrote:Just after the lion kill around a bend in the road we came across a lorry and workers doing some road repairs. My dad stopped and called to the forman that there were lions just around the corner. He reply was "It's OK we work for the government". A classic that has stayed with me for the 50 years.


Yeah, my friend Betty tells the same story. :thumbs_up:

We saw a picnic site attendant in similar situation and we said 'Don't worry, they don't eat the wekkas'.
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Re: KNP after 50 years

Unread postby wingman » Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:51 pm

Hi Tony T
like BB Ive been going for to KNP for the past 45years I remember and even earlier so my parents told me , Just take it as it comes relax and enjoy yourself, with your knowledge of the other SA parks you will know to just accept what you get and make the most of it dont go with expectations each park has its own special points and placed but KNP is a lot more commercialised and modern than any other park but it has to be that way to cope with the numbers it does and to be the show case for SANP as it is.
Hope you have a great trip you have chosen a good time of year to go to the KNP the south and especially the central region is superb at that time of year.

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Re: KNP after 50 years

Unread postby Bennievis » Sat Jul 11, 2009 7:58 am

Bush Baptist wrote:We saw a picnic site attendant in similar situation and we said 'Don't worry, they don't eat the wekkas'.


No motivational speeches needed there for the wekkas to work then :wink:

Like Sprocky, I used to be able to visit the Kruger once a week, and the "Kruger fever" never went away, you drive through the gate and you start to shake deep inside.. in your soul.

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Re: KNP after 50 years

Unread postby p@m » Sat Jul 11, 2009 10:44 pm

Tony T -- you're going to enjoy it ! After KTP, the gravel roads are as good as tar -- just dusty :lol: Maybe the S36 is an exception :whistle:

The south is busy, but you are not going to be there during school holidays (or public holidays) which are hectic.

If you're coming down to Cape Town, pop into the SANP desk at Century City and get an up to date map book (or PM BB for one). Then you can plan your routes.

Just remember that Croc Bridge has no restuarant.

Any more info -- just shout -- know that area well :lol:


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