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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - General Birds
Unread postPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 12:17 am 
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Is Abdim's really more common? We have visited Kruger seven times in the past 3 years and never seen one, but we've seen all the other storks including several black ones. :(

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - General Birds
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So the books say, but I can't recall ever seeing them in the Park myself, will have to check up on that....... :D I wouldnt be all sad faced, seeing the rest of them isn't too bad! :twisted: Greedy :twisted: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - General Birds
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I agree with Black Stork. The Black is a big bird with a very long bill, if you compare it with this abdim's - the bill is almost twice the length of the head while the abdim's is one and a bit. We photographed these birds in the KTP at Urikaruus in Feb'09, there where 4 birds together. You rarely see Abdim's alone while Black normally forage alone. Image


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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - General Birds
Unread postPosted: Tue May 26, 2009 10:09 am 
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Rusty and Lizette have pointed out the features separating this bird as a Black Stork already but I just thought I'd add that the legs on Abdim's Stork almost always (even in young birds) show a two tone colouration with the tibiotarsal joint and the foot being more red than the rest of the legs. This bird clearly appears to have uniformly coloured legs.

But like the others have said, the size of the bill and just the general shape of the bird points strongly towards Black Stork already.

As for their relative abundance I could add just this perhaps. Black Stork is a resident bird but fairly uncommon and, although widespread, perhaps a bit sparsely populated. Abdim's Stork on the other hand is a non-breeding migrant but when they are here they are often present in good numbers making them seem more common than Black Stork. The fact that they're highly gregarious also gives the impression that they're very common.

That said, I think Black Stork is quite readily found in Kruger and the lowveld while at the same time quite rare on the highveld here around Gauteng and the Free State. Abdim's Stork on the other hand is a common bird around here so you will probably find that Vaalies like me get much more excited when seeing a Black Stork than Abdims while very regular visitors to Kruger might have a different view, although jacliz, you've probably just been unlucky not to have ever seen Abdim's in Kruger.

One last interesting comment about Black Stork: They breed widely throughout the Palaearctic region and migrate south to southern Asia and sub-Saharan Africa. However, the birds that occur in southern Africa are not migratory or at best regional migrants, moving not much further north than Zambia and Angola. In other words, ours is an isolated population that do not come into contact with the vast numbers of Black Storks in Europe and the northern parts of sub-Saharan Africa. So watch this space fellow arm-chair tickers (if you're prepared to wait a bit), in another couple of million years they may even evolve into a separate species :D

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - General Birds
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Thanks for that very interesting information, deefstes. Maybe I'll be lucky with Abdim's in Oct/Nov. Do you know if we are we likely to see them around Shingwedzi?

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - General Birds
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jacliz wrote:
Thanks for that very interesting information, deefstes. Maybe I'll be lucky with Abdim's in Oct/Nov. Do you know if we are we likely to see them around Shingwedzi?

Oct/Nov should be a good time for them but I can't really think of any spots around Shingwedzi which would be particularly good for them. Just be sure to check any open areas with short grass - you know, that type of habitat where you can't miss a bird like a Stork and much less when they're feeding in flocks of a hundred or so :D

But seriously, why go look for them in Kruger when they are almost trash birds (of course used with some licence :wink:) in the regions north of Pretoria? But then again, any excuse is a good excuse to visit Kruger. But if, after your trip there, you still haven't seen them, give us a shout. I'm sure we'll find some for you around Kgomo-Kgomo or Rust de Winter.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - General Birds
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Because we don't go birding as such. Only when on camping weekends, or hols. to Kruger/Cape. :cry:

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - General Birds
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jacliz wrote:
Because we don't go birding as such.

Hmmm, what can I say? Your loss, I guess. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - General Birds
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thank you guys for all this valuable information and the time you spend sharing it - the particular stork was very far away from us, I had to use the 20x zoom to get this picture

checking out the german version of wikipedia I found the picture of a juvenile black stork, without the red legs and the coloured bill


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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - General Birds
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ice: nice example! It's easy with this individual to measure the bill length. If you draw a straight line through the eye to the back of the head you can see that the bill is almost twice as long as it's head, which is not the case in Abdim's.
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 Post subject: ID Black Stork???
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Guys,

Is this the "rare" black stork??? Taken from the Lower Sabie lodge BTW
Sorry for the poor quality, distance was very large.
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 Post subject: Re: ID Black Stork???
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Hi Gregor,
Looks like idd.
Have a look at most of the different kind of storks at my page.
http://www.studio-aat.com/za2009/knp0915_001.htm
Photographed some black storks in the crocodile bridge area.
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[quote="Gregor"]Guys,

Is this the "rare" black stork??? Taken from the Lower Sabie lodge BTW
Sorry for the poor quality, distance was very large.

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 Post subject: Re: ID Black Stork???
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Aat wrote:
Hi Gregor,
Looks like idd.
Have a look at most of the different kind of storks at my page.
http://www.studio-aat.com/za2009/knp0915_001.htm
Photographed some black storks in the crocodile bridge area.
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Guys,

Is this the "rare" black stork??? Taken from the Lower Sabie lodge BTW
Sorry for the poor quality, distance was very large.


Thanx, so black stork it is. Nice pictures you got there BTW!!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Storks: Black Stork
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Hi,

Saw this Black Stork sitting in a tree near Berg - en - dal.

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 Post subject: Re: Storks: Black Stork
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Always good to see these guys around the park! :D Nice photos!

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