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Re: Goshawk, Dark Chanting

Unread postby Wild about cats » Fri Sep 12, 2008 4:42 pm

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Anja » Tue Nov 18, 2008 10:32 pm

I think this is a juvenile Pale Chanting Goshawk. Am I right?
This one I saw near Pretoriuskop.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby JoelR » Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:48 am

Hi Anja. Close enough! I think it's a juv. Dark Chanting Goshawk. The field characters (e.g. less streaked head than PCG) are there, but the mina thing is that DCG are found in Kruger and PCG usually more to the West.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Yolandé Oelsen » Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:00 pm

Please help me ID this raptor. It was seen at Pretoriuskop this weekend.
I think it is a Pale Chanting Goshawk because: it's secondary wing feathers seems lighter. And the wing is in contrast with the grey of its neck.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Imberbe » Mon Dec 15, 2008 4:59 pm

Yes, DCG.

Because of distribution!

Dark colour is also an indication.

The way of distinguishing accurately between the two species is by having a look at the rump. The PCG has a white patch on the rump.
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby deefstes » Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:31 pm

Yolande, your bird definitely is a Dark Chanting Goshawk. As the others have said, distribution is enough to make the call already but the wing coverts would have been noticeably lighter, contrasting with the darker head if it was a Pale Chanter.

These two species are actually surprisingly difficult to ID if not on distribution. I've seen both in the region of overlap on the Botswana border and the ID doesn't exactly jump out at you as I expected.

Like Imberbe said, the rump colour is a dead giveaway but the contrast of the upper wing coverts with the colour of the head and mantle is also a fairly usable feature.
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Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby JOL » Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:33 pm

Hi all ,

I can see that there are some pretty skilled birders using this forum. A couple of African birds of prey have been discussed on the Danish website http://www.netfugl.dk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; recently , and since no satisfying conclusion was ever reached on either of these , maybe someone here could help?

The first one I think is an immature goshawk (probably either gabar or one of the chantings) , and the photo was taken in Krüger NP on the 27th of December:

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Any comments would be appreciated!

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Re: Id help - two raptors.

Unread postby JoelR » Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:54 pm

I am voting Gabar Goshawk.

P. & D. Chanting Goshawk would be wearing pants.

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Re: Id help - two raptors.

Unread postby JOL » Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:52 am

JoelR wrote:I am voting Gabar Goshawk.

P. & D. Chanting Goshawk would be wearing pants.



Hi JoelR ,

Thanks for your input on the two unidentified raptors!

Regarding the goshawk , I think the structural features is most in line with gabar goshawk , but the plumage looks a bit more like a young chanting goshawk , so I’m still very much in doubt about that one.

If anyone else would like to venture an opinion:

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it would be great!

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Moegaai » Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:53 am

JOL, here's my opinion on your BOP:

Dark Chanting Goshawk (imm): The books vary quite a bit on this, but there is concensus that the Gabar Goshawk (imm) has a white chest with brown streaking, and then white belly with brown barring. Additionally the Gabar will ALWAYS show a red or orange cere, which seems distinctly missing here. The KNP is extralimital for the Southern Pale Chanting Goshawk, so excludes him. So the Dark Chanting Goshawk seems the only one with a bit of a white throat and mostly uniformly brown chest (BUT might also have some streaking, though!).

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby JOL » Sat Mar 07, 2009 2:31 am

Hi Moegaai ,

Thanks for your response!

Regarding the goshawk I just don’t know! I too thought that the red/orange cere was a full proof character , until I saw some photos of young gabars with blue-grey cere! As you say , the illustrations vary on this one too , and some of the East African field guides like Stevenson and Fanshawes , picture young gabar with a plumage pretty close to the young chanting goshawks.
I know that Krüger NP is outside the normal range for southern chanting goshawk , but as we all know , birds sometimes pop up where you don’t expect them , so in my opinion that is nothing more than an indication.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Haplo » Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:26 pm

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Dark - or light?
Pretty sure I got the Chanting Goshawk part.....
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby JoelR » Sun Mar 29, 2009 6:40 pm

Haplo wrote: Dark - or light?
Pretty sure I got the Chanting Goshawk part.....

Are you willing to consider Gabar Goshawk?

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Haplo » Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:17 pm

:D

Being a very new birder, I will accept just about anything right now. Most of the forumites are way more experienced thatn I am, so if that is a Gabar Goshawk then I accept it without reservation.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby arks » Sun Mar 29, 2009 8:37 pm

Haplo wrote:
JoelR wrote:
Haplo wrote: Dark - or light?
Pretty sure I got the Chanting Goshawk part.....

Are you willing to consider Gabar Goshawk?

Being a very new birder, I will accept just about anything right now. Most of the forumites are way more experienced thatn I am, so if that is a Gabar Goshawk then I accept it without reservation.

What is the givaway? What did I miss?

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