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 Post subject: Re: Need ID for this bird please
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it also would help Gregor if you gave us some clues as to where you saw the bird. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Need ID for this bird please
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Bush Baptist wrote:
it also would help Gregor if you gave us some clues as to where you saw the bird. :wink:



O.k. will do so from now on, I posted a need for ID on a swallow aswell, on the sticky, any idea on that one bush baptist??

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 Post subject: Re: Need ID for this bird please
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Will check. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: need ID for this swallow
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Looks like it to me. But what about Juv barn swallow?

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 Post subject: Re: need ID for this swallow
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Bush Baptist wrote:
Looks like it to me. But what about Juv barn swallow?


mmm... I Stick to pearl brested, juv. Barn Swallow seems to be brownish according to Seasols birds. And because these ones don't have a red crest at all I think pearl brested swallow

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - General Birds
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I don't think they're either Barn Swallow (which are summer visitors and shouldn't be present currently) or Pearl-breasted Swallow. I'd rather go with juvenile Wire-tailed Swallow.

Juvenile Pearl-breasted Swallows are duller than the adults (less of a sheen) but they don't have brown caps which is quite typical of Wire-tailed Swallow.

It is also quite typical to see Wire-tailed Swallows sitting on bridges overlooking the water like this while Pearl-breasted Swallows would be more prone to perching on the tops of trees.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - General Birds
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I agree with the juv. wire-tailed swallow ID.......The brown caps, and dark ventral patches give it away.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - General Birds
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o.k., I could go with that.
What I don't see is how you guys are so sure these swallows are juv's.
Can you explain me this please?

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - General Birds
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Gregor wrote:
What I don't see is how you guys are so sure these swallows are juv's.
Can you explain me this please?

Pretty much on plumage. There really are no other Swallows with white underparts, glossy blue upperparts and a brown cap. The only other contender would have been Grey-rumped Swallow but those would have shown a grey rump and a pale eyebrow.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - General Birds
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Gregor wrote:
What I don't see is how you guys are so sure these swallows are juv's.
Can you explain me this please?

Pretty much on plumage. There really are no other Swallows with white underparts, glossy blue upperparts and a brown cap. The only other contender would have been Grey-rumped Swallow but those would have shown a grey rump and a pale eyebrow.


o.k. I see, but what color does the cap from the pearl brested swallow (adult) have than?

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - General Birds
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o.k. I see, but what color does the cap from the pearl brested swallow (adult) have than?

Same black colour as the rest of the upperparts. Pearl-breasted Swallow is very much a two-tone bird, black above, white underneath, no intermediate colours.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - General Birds
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deefstes wrote:
Gregor wrote:
o.k. I see, but what color does the cap from the pearl brested swallow (adult) have than?

Same black colour as the rest of the upperparts. Pearl-breasted Swallow is very much a two-tone bird, black above, white underneath, no intermediate colours.



o.k. I hear you, I keep on learning on this site! :D :D :D

Thanx for all your help!!

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 Post subject: Re: Swallows: Wire-tailed Swallow
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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - General Birds
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Hello,

I have, unfortunately, just these two poor photos, but does anyone think they can id these birds? They were seen on the H14 over the Letaba river on 5 September. many thanks in advance! :)

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 Post subject: Identification Help - General Birds
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@Darth Bangkok:
Those are very interesting pictures of, what I believe are, Wire-tailed Swallows? Are they of the same individual? The wires of the tails are missing so one might not arrive at this ID immediately. The bird on the first image (and probably also the second) is an immature, explaining the lack of streamers.

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