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Re: Need ID for this bird please

Unread postby Bush Baptist » Sun Jun 07, 2009 7:57 pm

it also would help Gregor if you gave us some clues as to where you saw the bird. :wink:
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Re: Need ID for this bird please

Unread postby Gregor » Sun Jun 07, 2009 8:34 pm

Bush Baptist wrote:it also would help Gregor if you gave us some clues as to where you saw the bird. :wink:



O.k. will do so from now on, I posted a need for ID on a swallow aswell, on the sticky, any idea on that one bush baptist??
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Re: Need ID for this bird please

Unread postby Bush Baptist » Sun Jun 07, 2009 8:49 pm

Will check. :wink:
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Re: need ID for this swallow

Unread postby Bush Baptist » Sun Jun 07, 2009 8:55 pm

Looks like it to me. But what about Juv barn swallow?
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Re: need ID for this swallow

Unread postby Gregor » Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:13 pm

Bush Baptist wrote:Looks like it to me. But what about Juv barn swallow?


mmm... I Stick to pearl brested, juv. Barn Swallow seems to be brownish according to Seasols birds. And because these ones don't have a red crest at all I think pearl brested swallow
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby deefstes » Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:29 pm

I don't think they're either Barn Swallow (which are summer visitors and shouldn't be present currently) or Pearl-breasted Swallow. I'd rather go with juvenile Wire-tailed Swallow.

Juvenile Pearl-breasted Swallows are duller than the adults (less of a sheen) but they don't have brown caps which is quite typical of Wire-tailed Swallow.

It is also quite typical to see Wire-tailed Swallows sitting on bridges overlooking the water like this while Pearl-breasted Swallows would be more prone to perching on the tops of trees.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Rusty Justy » Sun Jun 07, 2009 10:54 pm

I agree with the juv. wire-tailed swallow ID.......The brown caps, and dark ventral patches give it away.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Gregor » Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:36 am

o.k., I could go with that.
What I don't see is how you guys are so sure these swallows are juv's.
Can you explain me this please?
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby deefstes » Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:16 am

Gregor wrote:What I don't see is how you guys are so sure these swallows are juv's.
Can you explain me this please?

Pretty much on plumage. There really are no other Swallows with white underparts, glossy blue upperparts and a brown cap. The only other contender would have been Grey-rumped Swallow but those would have shown a grey rump and a pale eyebrow.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Gregor » Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:00 am

deefstes wrote:
Gregor wrote:What I don't see is how you guys are so sure these swallows are juv's.
Can you explain me this please?

Pretty much on plumage. There really are no other Swallows with white underparts, glossy blue upperparts and a brown cap. The only other contender would have been Grey-rumped Swallow but those would have shown a grey rump and a pale eyebrow.


o.k. I see, but what color does the cap from the pearl brested swallow (adult) have than?
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby deefstes » Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:07 am

Gregor wrote:o.k. I see, but what color does the cap from the pearl brested swallow (adult) have than?

Same black colour as the rest of the upperparts. Pearl-breasted Swallow is very much a two-tone bird, black above, white underneath, no intermediate colours.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Gregor » Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:28 am

deefstes wrote:
Gregor wrote:o.k. I see, but what color does the cap from the pearl brested swallow (adult) have than?

Same black colour as the rest of the upperparts. Pearl-breasted Swallow is very much a two-tone bird, black above, white underneath, no intermediate colours.



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Re: Swallows: Wire-tailed Swallow

Unread postby Elsa » Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:46 pm

Seen in Kruger in March this year.


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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby darth bangkok » Sun Sep 20, 2009 6:15 pm

Hello,

I have, unfortunately, just these two poor photos, but does anyone think they can id these birds? They were seen on the H14 over the Letaba river on 5 September. many thanks in advance! :)

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Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby deefstes » Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:39 am

@Darth Bangkok:
Those are very interesting pictures of, what I believe are, Wire-tailed Swallows? Are they of the same individual? The wires of the tails are missing so one might not arrive at this ID immediately. The bird on the first image (and probably also the second) is an immature, explaining the lack of streamers.
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