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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby arks » Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:52 am

Thanks Johan :gflower: I wasn't quite sure whether it was a female or a juvenile, but it's a(nother) lifer for me :dance:
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Bush Baptist » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:36 am

What is your Southern Africa tally now arks?
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby wildtuinman » Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:56 pm

Not sure if anyone really reads up on their posts in this topic long after the time, but for what it is worth.

There are two subspecies of European Roller that visits SA in the southern summer:

garrulus: Eastern Europe to Siberia.
semenowi: Iraq and Iran to Kazakstan and China.

If I remember correctly garrulus shows more blue than the more overall dull-coloured(overall dirtier appearance) semenowi.

The bird here seems to be of the garrulus sp. Both do occur in Kruger during our summer.

It actually makes for a really nice past time driving around Kruger id'ing which of them comes from Siberia and which comes from Kazakstan. Try it, it is loads of fun. :thumbs_up:

Tokmino wrote:Is this a Racket-tailed Roller during moult when its spatulate tips can be missing? Why I think it may be a racket-tailed and not a European is because of the green on its nape.

It was taken in January near Pafuri.

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Crested Val » Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:15 pm

Thanks for that wiltuinman...............that was a question that has puzzled me for years. :clap: :clap:

I used ti think "Why to some European Rollers look different to others"?

Now I know...there are 2 different species!!! :thumbs_up:

Very interesting!!! :clap: :clap:


Wonder which this one is?


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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby arks » Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:57 pm

Bush Baptist wrote:What is your Southern Africa tally now arks?

I have a few more 'mystery bird' pix to ID, but I think that I'm on 405 now :dance:
I got a few more than I'd expected/hoped to over my last visit.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby arks » Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:58 pm

Here are two "unusual" birds seen at Strandfontein (Cape Town) in early January 2015. I'm not quite sure about either of them :hmz:

1. Is this one possibly a leucistic purple heron?
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2. Is this one perhaps a leucistic reed cormorant?
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby hilda » Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:22 pm

wildtuinman wrote:There are two subspecies of European Roller that visits SA in the southern summer:

garrulus: Eastern Europe to Siberia.
semenowi: Iraq and Iran to Kazakstan and China.

If I remember correctly garrulus shows more blue than the more overall dull-coloured(overall dirtier appearance) semenowi.

The bird here seems to be of the garrulus sp. Both do occur in Kruger during our summer.

It actually makes for a really nice past time driving around Kruger id'ing which of them comes from Siberia and which comes from Kazakstan. Try it, it is loads of fun.


Wildtuinman! Wow! Thank you for this information! Like Val, I also often thought some of those European Rollers look paler than others! But never thought it could have been two different species! I'll definitely make a point of trying to distinguish between the two species in future! Thanks again! :clap: :clap:

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby wildtuinman » Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:04 am

Crested Val wrote:Thanks for that wiltuinman...............that was a question that has puzzled me for years. :clap: :clap:

I used ti think "Why to some European Rollers look different to others"?

Now I know...there are 2 different species!!! :thumbs_up:

Very interesting!!! :clap: :clap:


Wonder which this one is?


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Hi CrestedVal, I would go for garrulus on your bird. It is a very nice blue colour. Siberia = icy = blue. ;-)
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Crested Val » Fri Apr 10, 2015 8:33 am

Thanks Wildtuinman!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Tokmino » Fri Apr 10, 2015 5:01 pm

Thanks for the info, Wildtuinman. I'm :mrgreen: with envy on your knowledge of birds. I know it gets easier the more you do it but I'm still at the very frustrating time when so many birds are unidentifiable to me!! :wall:
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby jaytea » Mon Apr 13, 2015 12:53 am

Hi guys!

This bird was near Mopani in November - I thought indigo bird in a mixed party but now I"m looking at the photos and its maybe a widow bird? They were hanging out together on the ground...

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Here is the friend
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Johan van Rensburg » Mon Apr 13, 2015 8:14 am

jaytea wrote: I thought indigobird

Don't change your mind, jaytea... This bird is in transitional stage, typical for November... most likely dusky. The "friend" is another, but still in the very early stages of transitional moult.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby jaytea » Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:20 am

:gflower: Johan!

Thats what I had in my chicken scratch notes - dusky indigo bird!! :dance: :dance:
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby wildtuinman » Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:11 am

I am sorry, but I don't agree with Dusky Indigobird, which I in fact reckon is exceptionally scarce in Kruger, if it does exist in Kruger at all. :D

I'd id this as a Purple Indigobird.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Johan van Rensburg » Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:50 pm

wildtuinman wrote: Dusky Indigobird is exceptionally scarce in Kruger, if it does exist in Kruger at all.

I am keen to hear your motivation for this scarcity statement, WTM. Roberts MM, F. Peacock (LBJ's) and SABAP2 show distribution maps to the contrary.

I am in no way suggesting that your ID is wrong, in fact Purple is often indistinguishable from Dusky, although, in this case, the first of jaytea's pix appears to have an orange hue to its legs (not diagnostic, but a good clue...), but maybe that is just my take (eye of the beholder).
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