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Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby hilda » Thu Dec 30, 2004 9:09 pm

Dear Birders,
Please take note that this topic is regularly “cleaned” by moving the posts of a specific bird that has been positively ID-ed to the specific bird topic for all to use when trying to ID their bird sightings, and also to read all the interesting discussions about the birds while ID-ing them.
Should it be impossible for anybody to give a positive ID for a bird for some reason or another, it will be taken out, because it serves no purpose.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby hilda » Thu Dec 04, 2014 4:13 am

Johan van Rensburg, or any of our other bird experts, could you kindly answer Tessa G's question below? :D

Tessa G wrote:

Someone might like to answer this for me....

I have an old Newmans Birds of Kruger National Park and now the Roberts Birds of Kruger National Park and notice how many of the birds names have changed. To this novice, some of the names are so confusing....some Plovers are still Plovers, but others are now Lapwings! Also I saw a photo taken by Johan van Rensburg on his Balule Bash 2014 of a 'Wattled Flycatcher' - in my old book - but notice that it is now called a Black Throated Wattle Eye!!! :wall: Never heard of a Wattle Eye before. Sorry for rambling, but am curious as to why these re-naming, re-classifications have happened.

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby wildtuinman » Thu Dec 04, 2014 6:57 am

Hi Tessa (and Hilda).

The name changes happened in order to comply to international bird name standards.

As far as older books go. Lots have changed since their publications. More bird species were added, distribution maps were updated and even the text were revised. In extreme cases there have been splitting and lumping of species too. So all in all, it is definitely worth the money to buy yourself a latest edition. Or alternatively, you can always ask Father Christmas for one. :D

Alternatively, if you don't want a new book. You can always just familiarize yourself with the latest names here:

http://www.worldbirdnames.org/
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby umtali1 » Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:36 am

wildtuinman wrote:Hi Tessa (and Hilda).

The name changes happened in order to comply to international bird name standards.

As far as older books go. Lots have changed since their publications. More bird species were added, distribution maps were updated and even the text were revised. In extreme cases there have been splitting and lumping of species too. So all in all, it is definitely worth the money to buy yourself a latest edition. Or alternatively, you can always ask Father Christmas for one. :D

Alternatively, if you don't want a new book. You can always just familiarize yourself with the latest names here:

http://www.worldbirdnames.org/

:thumbs_up: Hilda and Tessa G for raising this issue as it's all very confusing to us novices. :wall:
Thanks to Wildtuinman for the answer...........obvious I suppose :?
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby hilda » Thu Dec 04, 2014 4:49 pm

wildtuinman wrote:Hi Tessa (and Hilda).

The name changes happened in order to comply to international bird name standards.

As far as older books go. Lots have changed since their publications. More bird species were added, distribution maps were updated and even the text were revised. In extreme cases there have been splitting and lumping of species too. So all in all, it is definitely worth the money to buy yourself a latest edition. Or alternatively, you can always ask Father Christmas for one.

Alternatively, if you don't want a new book. You can always just familiarize yourself with the latest names here:

http://www.worldbirdnames.org/


Thank you for the explanation Wildtuinman! I hope Tessa G reads here soon! :clap: :clap:

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Tessa G » Thu Dec 04, 2014 7:45 pm

Thanks Wildtuinman for the explanation, that makes a lot of sense. I have had a long chat to Father Christmas and I believe one could be coming my way, in the big red sack! :dance:

I have bookmarked 'Index to Birds' which I am referring to a lot, until my new book arrives on Christmas Day :D

Thanks for your help with this Hilda.

Well we will just have to work a little harder at our quizzes I suppose Umtali 1 :lol:
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby wildtuinman » Fri Dec 05, 2014 10:17 am

One can always look at the bird apps as well instead of buying a book. The benefit of this of course is that you will always have a handy source in your pocket no matter where you go and you have the calls of the birds as well. Very helpful indeed!
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Moesa » Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:20 am

Good day

I was in the Mokala National Park recently and one sighting that really intrigued me was a cuckoo sighting that was either a European or African cuckoo. The park checklist had the African Cuckoo on the list, however, after a long observation I could only think it was the European Cuckoo.

According to distribution maps, none of the two is present in that area.

Can anyone help in possible information on the distribution of the cuckoos in the Mokala area?

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby wildtuinman » Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:46 am

Common Cuckoo would be out of range, I agree.

http://sabap2.adu.org.za/species_info.php?spp=340

As for African Cuckoo, it would be more than likely the cuckoo you saw at Mokala.

http://sabap2.adu.org.za/species_info.p ... #menu_left
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Moesa » Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:08 pm

wildtuinman wrote:Common Cuckoo would be out of range, I agree.

http://sabap2.adu.org.za/species_info.php?spp=340

As for African Cuckoo, it would be more than likely the cuckoo you saw at Mokala.

http://sabap2.adu.org.za/species_info.p ... #menu_left



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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Albert » Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:22 am

Just need to confirm these are two juveniles....

Juvenile Cape Robin-Chat
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and Juvenile Common Fiscal

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby hilda » Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:38 am

I agree with your IDs Albert! Hope the experts do too! :dance: :dance:

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby arks » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:33 am

Another wader that I'm not sure about :hmz: , is this one perhaps a marsh sandpiper? Seen in KNP in mid-November 2014.

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Johan van Rensburg » Wed Feb 18, 2015 9:40 am

Nope, still not, arks.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby arks » Wed Feb 18, 2015 2:39 pm

So is it then yet another common greenshank ... or something else that I've not recognised? :wall:
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