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Falcon, Peregrine

Unread postby DotDan » Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:33 am

Saw this very scarce beauty on the H6 towards Nwanetsi.

It can reach speeds over 322 km/h, making it the fastest animal in the world.
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Re: Falcon, Peregrine

Unread postby Moegaai » Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:02 am

Well done DD!!! :clap: And a pic to boot...

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Re: Falcon, Peregrine

Unread postby Imax » Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:04 am

WOW :mrgreen:

I still have to see one

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby DotDan » Fri Feb 12, 2010 9:41 am

I also need some help with the following raptor..

Had a discussion on it a while back but there was no real conclusion, Both Imax and Niall suggested Imm Lanner Falcon.
It was seen around the 13th of Jan about 3 km's away from Satara. Size wise it was about 2-3 times the size of a Drongo.

At the time of sighting my first guess was Imm Peregrine due to the large black facial stripe and heavily streaked underparts, but the rufous colouring and brownish head is throwing me off...

Other possibilities could be Eurasian Hobby, but I am not so sure..

Any help would be appreciated..

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Lizet Grobbelaar » Fri Feb 12, 2010 10:39 am

Dotdan,
I can say it's not an European Hobby as the wings is to short. EH's wings is slightly longer than its tail.

Then I can't see any hint of a pale crown which is one of the best features to ID Lanner as even the juv/imm birds has the pale on the back of the head. The quality of pics doesn't show this but it doesn't mean it's not there...and again the wings seems shorter than the tail?

You can PM me with the original files if you like, so I can get a better idea?

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby DotDan » Fri Feb 12, 2010 11:17 am

Here is another angle which does show the back of the head a bit..

Sorry about the quality of the pic... Although I had good views through the Binocs, the 300mm just couldn't reach it properly :lol:

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby JOL » Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:20 pm

Hi guys ,

I can understand why you have doubts about this immature falcon , but I actually think you're right on the mark with your first guess , DotDan! I agree with Lizet that hobby is out of the question , and the only realistic alternatives are lanner or peregrine.

The general colour of the bird might suggest lanner , but - as Lizet points out - the quality of the photos is pretty poor , and I suspect that might affect the colouration. Just to give an example , the back looks much darker brown on pic. 3 than on 1 and 4 , so as usual we have to be careful with the colours when looking at poor quality photos! Furthermore young peregrines/lanners tend to vary in general colouration , and this one seems to lie within the variation-boundaries of both species.

So why is it a peregrine then?
Well , first of all the moustachial stripe is very broad and rounded , which fits nicely with peregrine and not at all with lanner!
Secondly the head pattern looks better for peregrine since it seems to lack the crown - eye-stripe contrast which is normally very obvious on lanner. On the latest uploaded photo it seems to have a pale patch on the hind neck , but I don't think that rules out peregrine.
Thirdly the tail also points towards peregrine , with the dark bars being broader than the pale ones , the difference getting bigger towards the tip.

All in all it is my firm belief that this is an immature peregrine , but I'm looking forward to any discussion on the subject!

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby DotDan » Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:45 pm

Thanks Jon.. I agree with your points, and the main reason my first guess was Peregrine is that I saw one around the same area about a year ago (adult) and the general size and giss of the bird said Peregrine..

But one good point Imax pointed out to me is that the white tip on the end of tail normally points to Lanner ?

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Barcud » Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:54 pm

Hi,

I agree that it's a Peregrine. As well as the points noted by others above, young Lanners have unmarked or faintly marked "trousers", whereas this bird is well marked.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby JOL » Sat Feb 13, 2010 2:23 pm

DotDan wrote:Thanks Jon.. I agree with your points, and the main reason my first guess was Peregrine is that I saw one around the same area about a year ago (adult) and the general size and giss of the bird said Peregrine..

But one good point Imax pointed out to me is that the white tip on the end of tail normally points to Lanner ?


Hi DotDan ,

You're welcome!

It's true that lanner normally shows a rather broad pale tip on the tail. Unfortunately so does peregrine , so I have to disagree with Imax that this character point anywhere...

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby DotDan » Wed Feb 17, 2010 7:08 am

Barcud wrote:Hi,

I agree that it's a Peregrine. As well as the points noted by others above, young Lanners have unmarked or faintly marked "trousers", whereas this bird is well marked.

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Hey, almost forgot to thank you for your help Barcud :thumbs_up:

Old saying goes, stick with your initial gut feeling... 9/10 times it will serve you well :lol:

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby pnm » Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:29 pm

Hi - can I have some opinions please? I have cautiously IDed the following bird as a Eurasian Hobby (173). I took the photos in the early evening in Paarl last week. I see Roberts says they arrive in October but it has been unseasonably warm the last while (and the yellow billed Kites are here as well).

I first saw the bird perched at the very top of a tall tree calling loudly (a sort of screeching kek kek kek repeated over and over). It then flew to this church spire where I took the photos. In the tree I clearly saw and noted the rufous lower belly (which cannot be seen in the photos). Also I base the ID on the bold moustachial stripe, the white throat and cheeks and the very heavily streaked chest.

My old Roberts would have put it out of range in Paarl but my new Roberts puts it well in range even if two weeks early in the season. Note that the area I live in is suburban but borders on farmland and a nature reserve with plenty of woodland.

So - is my ID correct? If it is, then it is a lifer.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby pnm » Sat Sep 18, 2010 8:32 pm

Sorry - didn't manage to attach the photos on of the possible Eurasian Hobby so here they are- please forgive a moment of forgetfulness.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Barcud » Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:04 pm

Hi Pete,

Your bird is a juvenile Peregrine, (the heavy moustachial stripe, bulky body & typical kek-kek call).

Nice bird.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby pnm » Sat Sep 18, 2010 9:42 pm

Hi Barcud

Thanks for the very quick response. The bad news that I got my initial (but as I said "cautious") ID wrong is offset by the good news that a Peregrine is a lifer for me anyway!

Many thanks to all on the forum who help with IDs. Much appreciated.

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