Skip to content

SANParks.org Forums

View unanswered posts | View active topics






Post new topic Reply to topic  Page 1 of 3
 [ 32 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Chat Flycatcher or Familiar Chat?
Unread postPosted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:59 pm 
Offline
Honorary Virtual Ranger
Honorary Virtual Ranger
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:42 pm
Posts: 17943
Location: Red sand, why do I keep thinking of red sand?
Image

Chat Flycatcher?? (Photo taken in KTP)

_________________
Arriving currently: The photos from our trip! Overhere! :yaya:

Feel free to use any of these additional letters to correct the spelling of words found in the above post: a-e-t-n-d-i-o-s-m-l-u-y-h-c


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:31 am 
Offline
Legendary Virtual Ranger
Legendary Virtual Ranger
User avatar
Award: Sighting of the Year - Birds (2013)
Joined: Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:33 pm
Posts: 2334
Location: I'm the patty in Jam Street
Award: Birder of the Year (2012)
Good on you DQ! Well done on finding the correct ID in spite of my misdirection. :redface:

Will teach me to put on my glasses and look at detail and not just giss!

_________________
666 Latest lifer: Sooty Tern


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:57 am 
Offline
Honorary Virtual Ranger
Honorary Virtual Ranger
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:42 pm
Posts: 17943
Location: Red sand, why do I keep thinking of red sand?
I had help. :wink:

Cool, yet another tick! I'm currently at 144 confirmed birds...

_________________
Arriving currently: The photos from our trip! Overhere! :yaya:

Feel free to use any of these additional letters to correct the spelling of words found in the above post: a-e-t-n-d-i-o-s-m-l-u-y-h-c


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:06 pm 
Offline
Senior Virtual Ranger
Senior Virtual Ranger
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:43 pm
Posts: 749
Location: Jo'burg
DuQues wrote:
Image

Chat Flycatcher?? (Photo taken in KTP)


Huh? Why is this a Chat Flycatcher and not a Familiar Chat?

_________________
"Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals ... except the weasel." -Homer Simpson


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:37 pm 
Offline
Legendary Virtual Ranger
Legendary Virtual Ranger
User avatar
Award: Sighting of the Year - Birds (2013)
Joined: Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:33 pm
Posts: 2334
Location: I'm the patty in Jam Street
Award: Birder of the Year (2012)
Heheee. Deefstes, you are saying exactly the same thing I did initially. I had to really study the pix carefully to change tune. That hint of rufous along the edge of the tail together with the birds giss and favourite perch (for a FC) are a ruse! Only after comparing it to some of my own KTP CFC pix was I convinced.

_________________
666 Latest lifer: Sooty Tern


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:54 pm 
Offline
Senior Virtual Ranger
Senior Virtual Ranger
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:43 pm
Posts: 749
Location: Jo'burg
Johan van Rensburg wrote:
That hint of rufous along the edge of the tail together with the birds giss and favourite perch (for a FC) are a ruse!


OK, that may be, but I still don't see the pale wing patch of Chat Flycatcher, or any fieldmarks pointing to CFC for that matter.

You've answered half my question (the Familiar Chat part) but I'd still like to know why this is a Chat Flycatcher :wink:

_________________
"Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals ... except the weasel." -Homer Simpson


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:12 pm 
Offline
Legendary Virtual Ranger
Legendary Virtual Ranger
User avatar
Award: Sighting of the Year - Birds (2013)
Joined: Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:33 pm
Posts: 2334
Location: I'm the patty in Jam Street
Award: Birder of the Year (2012)
Jeez, deefstes... do some work here! Must we always spoonfeed you? :twisted: :lol:

I hope you are patient. Duco must first consult with his guru...

_________________
666 Latest lifer: Sooty Tern


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:10 am 
Offline
Junior Virtual Ranger
Junior Virtual Ranger
User avatar

Joined: Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:10 pm
Posts: 312
Location: Johannesburg, South Africa
I'm no guru, sorry! Duques asked me my opinion on the photo before he posted on the forum - I compared to the images in my head of the 6,254 Chat Flycatchers seen in KTP. Familiar Chat seen there are much "duskier". Anyhow, I've gone back to a photo I took of one, and compared the wing panels. I still stand by my ID of Chat FC. The giss is nothing to go by, as when we where there in August the wind was pumping, hence the "flat" position my bird is sitting. When actually seeing the bird, size is the deciding factor.

Image

Deefstes, what do you reckon?

Cheers

Niall.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:32 am 
Offline
Legendary Virtual Ranger
Legendary Virtual Ranger
User avatar
Award: Sighting of the Year - Birds (2013)
Joined: Wed Sep 06, 2006 3:33 pm
Posts: 2334
Location: I'm the patty in Jam Street
Award: Birder of the Year (2012)
Niall wrote:
When actually seeing the bird, size is the deciding factor.


That is so true - in the field the ID would never be an issue. I looked (again) at some of my own images of KTP CFCs last night and have a few that supports your ID 100%, Niall. That is why I changed mine after DQ posted the pix with your ID call... initially I called it Familiar chat as well.

Some of my webbrowsing software has gone corrupt and prevented me from posting yesterday. Hopefully it will get sorted soon and I will be able to contribute again.

_________________
666 Latest lifer: Sooty Tern


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 11:37 am 
Offline
Senior Virtual Ranger
Senior Virtual Ranger
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:43 pm
Posts: 749
Location: Jo'burg
DuQues wrote:
Image

Niall wrote:
Image

Jeepers guys, I can agree that Niall's pic is of a Chat Flycatcher but DQ's bird still looks like a Familiar Chat to me. Obviously the size isn't apparent from the picture but there is just nothing about the bird that suggest Chat Flycatcher to me. The bill looks like the typical needle-like bill of a Chat, the tail looks bang on the money for Familiar Chat and there are none of the ID features for CF visible.

Seriously now, I'm still waiting for someone to point out why this bird is a Chat Flycatcher, not just why it isn't a Familiar Chat. You don't identify a bird by deciding what it's not :?

1. Chat Fycatcher has pale underparts with browner flanks, Niall's picture shows this well but there is none of that on DQ's.

2. The primary feathers of Chat Flycatcher has a somewhat unique shading with the leading edges (and specifically towards the base of the feathers) being much paler than the rest of the feathers. This gives the wing at rest the appearance of a pale panel which is usually the first feature that I look for in Chat Flycatcher. Niall's pic also shows this feature but not DQ's. Even the secondaries, tertials and scapulars have pale fringing giving the wing a rather more streaked appearance than Familar Chat.

Have a look at this picture of a classical Chat Flycatcher that illustrates both the above features well. Also have a look at this picture that shows the shading of the primary feathers well, explaining where the pale panel comes from.

3. Finally, Chat Flycatcher has a uniform dark brown tail with a slight rufous tinge at best. The outer tail retrices are, if anything, paler than the rest of the tail and with good views shows a thin cream coloured line along the outer edge of the tail. You can actually see this on DQ's pic and on both the pics linked above. DQ's pic shows the classical rufous outer tail feathers (more than just the outer edge of one feather but more like two or three feathers) extending two thirds down the length of the tail.

So I'm going to be really mean and return to my original question :twisted:

deefstes wrote:
Why is this a Chat Flycatcher and not a Familiar Chat?
and yes, please spoonfeed me :wink:

_________________
"Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals ... except the weasel." -Homer Simpson


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:35 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Nov 04, 2005 3:57 pm
Posts: 111
Location: Rondebosh Cape Town
Ok, I'm really not as good as any of you in ID'ing birds, but I tend to agree with deefstes... my point of reference being my Newmans :D and based on:
1. Shape of the the bill looks exactly like the FC's
2. Habitat 8) don't laugh, but Newmans say that the FC's prefer rocky places and koppies, as in the picture; whereas the CF's habitat mentions it likes open areas like telephone wires...

This is only my humble opinion :roll:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:44 pm 
Offline
Junior Virtual Ranger
Junior Virtual Ranger
User avatar

Joined: Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:10 pm
Posts: 312
Location: Johannesburg, South Africa
Ja Deefstes, you have me doubting the ID now. I know Western race of FC is paler, but the ones we saw in KTP were very dark. I see what you mean about the wing panels and bill.

Possible new breed of Familiar Flychatcatcher....

Sorry Duques, now I'm not sure!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:51 pm 
Offline
Senior Virtual Ranger
Senior Virtual Ranger
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:43 pm
Posts: 749
Location: Jo'burg
Niall wrote:
Possible new breed of Familiar Flychatcatcher....

Or maybe a Chat Chat :lol:

_________________
"Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals ... except the weasel." -Homer Simpson


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:53 pm 
Offline
Honorary Virtual Ranger
Honorary Virtual Ranger
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:42 pm
Posts: 17943
Location: Red sand, why do I keep thinking of red sand?
OK, the only other photo I have of it:
Image

I've tried to make it as clear as possible a photo, without messing with colouration.

Sonbesie wrote:
2. Habitat 8) don't laugh, but Newmans say that the FC's prefer rocky places and koppies, as in the picture; whereas the CF's habitat mentions it likes open areas like telephone wires...

The birdie was in open field. The dark bits you see are the (wide) boughs of a tree, not rocks. Photo taken at the Kamqua picknicspot.

_________________
Arriving currently: The photos from our trip! Overhere! :yaya:

Feel free to use any of these additional letters to correct the spelling of words found in the above post: a-e-t-n-d-i-o-s-m-l-u-y-h-c


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
Unread postPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:02 pm 
Offline
Senior Virtual Ranger
Senior Virtual Ranger
User avatar

Joined: Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:43 pm
Posts: 749
Location: Jo'burg
DuQues wrote:
OK, the only other photo I have of it:
Image


Well, I stick to Familiar Chat. :wink:

_________________
"Weaseling out of things is important to learn. It's what separates us from the animals ... except the weasel." -Homer Simpson


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 32 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3  Next



Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group

Webcams Highlights

Addo Nossob Orpen Satara
Addo Nossob Orpen Satara
Submitted by kcilliers at 07:54:32 Submitted by Aristocat at 21:34:19 Submitted by kcilliers at 05:33:24 Submitted by kcilliers at 10:19:11