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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
Unread postPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 12:50 am 
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There really aren't many raptors bigger then a hadeda, except vultures and very large Black an Martial eagle etc etc......Of which this definately is not. :lol:

The dark area around the face, is the bare skin, Sasol shows it to be far more yellow, which isn't right for such a young bird. The dark seconary panel, head shape all add up as well, as the posture. The yellow cere is right for a juv. AHH.....I can't comment on the underwing pattern, as they not shown in the images......But the white below, with the streaking is not the typical juv. morph....but I believe there are various colour morphs in the juv. stage.

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This bird matches perfectly, (except for the white, streaked throat, as this is a rufous morph juv.)


Just my thoughts........... :hmz:

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Thanks for the great research RJ. I'm not going to go to that extent, but want to make a few points:

1. The colouration is fine to be AHH (there is a darker morph) and as RJ points out there are such vast variations in juveniles of ANY species.

2. The juv does not have the bare face, it gets this later. Also the eye and cere is spot-on for the dark morph.

3. As far as size is concerned, well I would actually dare to say that an AHH is definitely bigger than a Hadeda. Just remember that a Hadeda's dimensions are exaggerated due to the long bill and neck.

4. Really it also boils down to GISS that in my opinion can only be AHH.


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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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Thank you so much everyone for all the help and info for that ID :clap: :clap:

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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 Post subject: Re: Harrier-hawk, African (Gymnogene)
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Saw this juvenile at one of the waterholes on H1-8.

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 Post subject: Re: Harrier-hawk, African (Gymnogene)
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Beautiful pictures of the Harrier Hawk everyone!! :clap: :clap:

We have spotted this one during July 2009 on the H7:

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 Post subject: Re: Harrier-hawk, African (Gymnogene)
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We were lucky enough on our first walk this year at BnD to see one of these overhead at a relatively low height. Unfortunately the eye was quicker than the camera and did'nt get a good pic. While we were watching the Gymnogene a black breasted snake eagle swung through the air at the same time so we considered ourselves doubly lucky :D

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 Post subject: Re: Harrier-hawk, African (Gymnogene)
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We saw this one 3 weeks back in a tree getting a meal on the road from Orpen to Satara.
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 Post subject: Re: Harrier-hawk, African (Gymnogene)
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:clap: Nice Michel! :thumbs_up: Stop worrying about the Bateleur, I have a Gymnogene that comes to my garden very often and have not got a shot of it yet. :(


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 Post subject: Raptor ID please
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Could someone ID this raptor for me please. Its on the West Coast near WCNP.
Raptors observed in the area; Black Eagles, Black Harriers, Marsh Harriers, Jackal Buzzards, Lanner Falcons, Black Shouldered Kite, Rock Kestrels, in season Yellow Billed Kite and Steppe Buzzard.
The bird was in a shallow dive.
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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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I don't see it matching any of the observed, looks like a form of Booted Eagle to me...........

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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I would agree. None of those mentioned.

BE are in the surrounds.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - Raptors
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The clearly visible white shoulder patches points to Booted Eagle, distinguishes it from anything else.

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