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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - LBJs
Unread postPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:35 pm 
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Ugh, help please.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - LBJs
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Both are Rattling Cisticola's :D

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 Post subject: Rattling Cisticola
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Okay tinktinkie experts, I know this is NOT a Levaillant's Cisticola, but help me out please...

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - LBJs
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Where and when did you see it, Falconry4ever?

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - LBJs
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With Cisticolas it is imperative to get as close to an i.d. with the method of illumination.

One will be surprised at how close you could get to the i.d. by just doing that.

For now I will assume that you have seen it in Zimbabwe, here is a list of possibilities so long if that is the case:

Croaking Cisticola
Tinkling Cisticola
Rattling Cisticola
Wailing Cisticola (eastern Zimbabwe)
Chirping Cisticola (possibly @ Vic Falls)
Levaillant's Cisticola
Rufous-winged Cisticola (south eastern Zimbabwe)
Luapula Cisticola (possibly @ Vic Falls)
Singing Cisticola (Eastern Zimbabwe)
Red-faced Cisticola
Lazy Cisticola
Croaking Cisticola

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - LBJs
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Where and when did you see it, Falconry4ever?

Hi there.
I saw it in Zimbabwe's eastern lowveld during the April/May 2008 next to a small river.

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 Post subject: LBJ ID - Copy
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Falconry4ever wrote:
Hi there.
I saw it in Zimbabwe's eastern lowveld during the April/May 2008 next to a small river.


Ok that then takes away:

Chirping Cisticola (possibly @ Vic Falls)
Luapula Cisticola (possibly @ Vic Falls)

I remember the bird in question had a rufous cap, so that also takes the following out of the equation:

Croaking Cisticola
Red-faced Cisticola

and leaves us with:

Tinkling Cisticola
Rattling Cisticola
Wailing Cisticola (eastern Zimbabwe)
Levaillant's Cisticola
Rufous-winged Cisticola (south eastern Zimbabwe)
Singing Cisticola (Eastern Zimbabwe)
Lazy Cisticola
Croaking Cisticola

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - LBJs
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The bill has a pinkish base.

That rules out Singing and Tinkling Cisticolas with their all dark bills.

We are left with at this stage:

Rattling Cisticola
Wailing Cisticola (eastern Zimbabwe)
Levaillant's Cisticola
Rufous-winged Cisticola (south eastern Zimbabwe)
Lazy Cisticola

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - LBJs
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Levaillant's and Rufous-winged Cisticolas have dark backs, so they are ruled out as well.

Rattling Cisticola
Wailing Cisticola (eastern Zimbabwe)
Lazy Cisticola

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - LBJs
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wildtuinman wrote:
The bill has a pinkish base.

That rules out Singing and Tinkling Cisticolas with their all dark bills.

We are left with at this stage:

Rattling Cisticola
Wailing Cisticola (eastern Zimbabwe)
Levaillant's Cisticola
Rufous-winged Cisticola (south eastern Zimbabwe)
Lazy Cisticola
Croaking Cisticola

I like your systematic approach to the cisticolas.
- I think the bird shows too much rufous for Rattling.
- Bird was seen in Lowveld, which makes Wailing unlikely, although ID differences are tough to pinpoint.
- Eyebrow seems to extend not far enough for Levaillant's and colours a bit faded but not enough to rule it out.
- Tail seems rufous which rules Rufous-winged out, because it has a greyish tail.
- Lazy looks like a prinia. This one doesn't.
- You already discarded Croaking. No rufous crown.

For me Croaking, Lazy and Rufous-winged can be discarded. If you agree, that leaves us with:
Rattling
Wailing
Levaillant's

I would vote Wailing if the would have been in the (Zim) highlands...


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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - LBJs
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I've noticed now that I was a little bit fast on letting Red-Faced Cisticola out so quickly and I will bring it back into equation at this point.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - LBJs
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Both Rattling and Wailing show some prominent sign of markings on the back.

I agree that the Lazy Cisticola is more Prinia looking.

This leaves me with Red-Faced Cisticola.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - LBJs
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wildtuinman wrote:
Both Rattling and Wailing show some prominent sign of markings on the back.

I agree that the Lazy Cisticola is more Prinia looking.

This leaves me with Red-Faced Cisticola.

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Red-faced Cisticola is a very dull bird, which hardly shows any rufous. This simply can't be a Red-faced C. It's either an out-of-place Wailing, a very pale (moulting?) Levaillant's or a rather rufous Rattling. I will go with the latter (Rattling) unless Falconryetc. confesses he saw it a bit higher up (Wailing).


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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - LBJs
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I don't think that the back is grey enough for Red-Faced Cisticola. The face is also too dull colored.

I will go with Rattling Cisticola, probably a young bird with no distinct markings on the back, but there are signs of markings and a hint of grey.

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 Post subject: Re: Identification Help - General Birds
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Hi all,

We are having some difficulty with this little one, at a first glance we thought it was a prinia but not too sure now. Saw it this morning just outside Letata Rest Camp, it's been a bit wet here this morning, light drizzle. struggling a little with 3G signal, so I will only be on again tonight. Thanks in advance.
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