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Thrush: Olive

Unread postby wildtuinman » Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:40 am

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Unread postby Bush Baptist » Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:48 pm

Are you sure Oom. Looks like a Karoo thrush to me. Especially of you took the photo in 'M toe' (Tswane) :twisted:
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Unread postby Sonbesie » Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:02 pm

Nope, think I'll agree with WTM on this one...
- Distinct orange flanks.
- A dark patch around the nostril region of the upper mandible.
- A darker eye-ring than Karoo Thrush.
- The dark throat streaking against a whiter background giving it a bolder streaked effect. 8)

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Unread postby Bush Baptist » Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:49 pm

Now that I have looked at my birdie book, I agree, it is an OT. Where did you snap it Oom?
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Unread postby wildtuinman » Tue Dec 18, 2007 9:02 am

Thanks for your believe in me, Sonbesie. :lol:

BB, I snapped it on the Garden Route. :wink:
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Unread postby Bush Baptist » Tue Dec 18, 2007 10:29 am

wildtuinman wrote:BB, I snapped it on the Garden Route. :wink:
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Unread postby Johan van Rensburg » Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:46 am

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Unread postby Bush Baptist » Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:57 am

Just saw a pair moving through my garden :dance:
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Re: Thrush: Olive

Unread postby Tilandi » Tue Dec 23, 2008 1:37 pm

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Have been noticing this Thrush in my garden last two days. Beak is not as orange as the normal Olive thrush and breast seems to have speckles. Is it perhaps a juvenile?
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Re: Thrush: Olive

Unread postby Batmad » Mon Jan 05, 2009 12:51 pm

Yip! :thumbs_up:

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Cherries » Thu Feb 19, 2009 7:09 am

I think this is a Juv Olive Thrush. What are all the "bumps" on his chest? Also looks like a wart on his face? (Taken at GGHNP)

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Johan van Rensburg » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:51 am

Cherries wrote:I think this is a Juv Olive Thrush. What are all the "bumps" on his chest? Also looks like a wart on his face? (Taken at GGHNP)



You are right about it being a juvenile Thrush... However, both Karoo and Olive Thrushes can be found here (and even some hybrids, they say). Making an ID on this one will be very tough!

The "bumps" are the terminal points of this bird's feathers. It is a feature seen in many juvenile birds... In thrushes and chats it is quite obvious. The wart... that I have no idea. It may be a scar from an old injury or even something as mundane as debris stuck to its face... going by the bill, it looks as if it had been mucking about in a messy place looking for something to eat.
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby deefstes » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:00 am

Hmmm, now this is an interesting bird. It definitely is a juvenile Olive or Karoo Thrush but which one? Normally the distribution is almost enough to secure the ID but Golden Gate straddles the overlap zone and in fact, the two have been known to hybridize in that region also :wall:

What's more, for many years the two have been considered to be one species to information on separation of the two has never really been available. Since the split there has been some very useful articles (check this one) but I have yet to see one that deals with the juveniles of these species.

For what it's worth, your bird does seem to have the features of an Olive Thrush (rufous flanks, black maxillary base etc.) but then I'm not sure how reliable these features are on a juvenile bird.

I think, for the most part, Golden Gate would have more Karoo Thrush than Olive Thrush. Or let me put it this way, if I see a thrush in Golden Gate I would first expect it to be a Karoo Thrush and then see if I can turn it into an Olive Thrush.

But if I saw your bird, I'd probably have written it down as an Olive Thrush.

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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Bosnimf » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:21 pm

Hi Cherries, I am not as good with bird id's as JvR or Deefstes, I'm sure, but the juvenile bird might be a Kurrichane thrush. I have seen a bird looking similar to this one, and it was definitely a Kurrichane! Maybe?
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Re: Identification Help - General Birds

Unread postby Moegaai » Thu Feb 19, 2009 9:28 pm

Bosnimf, definitely good to keep the options open! But no, immature Kurrichane Thrush has white chest and belly with black spots.

In my mind this is the Olive Thrush, thanks to the orange belly and flanks, and the dark markings on the top of beak.


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