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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Jan van Wyk » Mon Apr 06, 2015 8:50 pm

Sorry Elsa can't help :wall:

Need some help with the ID of the hawk.

For many years we were watching him catching Bats. Every evening when thousands of Bats leave their sleeping place he and his partner go on the hunt.

First thought it is a Bat Hawk, but looking in my books the Bat Hawk is dark brown.

You can actually see the Bat he caught....

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Elsa » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:25 pm

I would say the Little Sparrowhawk Jan!
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Jan van Wyk » Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:18 pm

Thank you Elsa, but looks like we were both wrong according to an expert I emailed.

He said it is a" Little banded goshawk"

I had a look in the Birding in SA under the index to birds... under Goshawks.....could not found the " Little banded Goshawk"

New specie for the list?... :hmz:

Maybe another expert opinion will confirm the ID... :hmz: :hmz:

According to my books...

The difference between the" Little banded goshawk" and "Ovambo Sparrowhawk" are the stripes and Eyes.

Little bande Goshawk:brown stripes and red eyes ....Ovambo Sparrowhawk: Grey stripes and brown eyes...

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby wildtuinman » Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:45 am

Hi Jan, I would love to know on what basis the expert went for Shikra.

The pupil is very dilated which makes identifying the true colour of the eye quite hard. Shikra should have cherry red eyes and Little Sparrowhawk will have yellow eyes, but which can also show up orange as I have it here: http://www.laine-dirk.co.za/photos/157/157.html . Not sure if you used a flash, but that could have an effect on the eye colour.

I however do think that I see a yellow eye-ring, a distinct feature for Little Sparrowhawk. Do you have any other photos of the bird perhaps?

ps: this is a cracking shot!
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby wildtuinman » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:00 am

Also, where was this bird seen?
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby wildtuinman » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:13 am

johanclassen wrote:Hi, Could this be a Lanner Falcon? Taken near Rondevlei Ebb and Flow. Thanks By the way, this image was posted via the new suggested system using the attachment add function, this will not post an image larger then 500x500



johanclassen wrote:Tnx for your attempt Anne-Marie. After having a good look at this image and one other one , I am fairly certain that my image is a Lanner Falcon.


Why is this not a Booted Eagle?
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby wildtuinman » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:26 am

Elsa wrote:Do you agree that this is a Juv Gabar Goshawk seen in Kruger in Feb?
I am always a bit confused between that and a Dark Chanting Goshawk? :doh:


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Hi Elsa, yes Dark Chanting Goshawk. The GISS of this bird is very much different from that of the Gabar and the Gabar is also much smaller.
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby wildtuinman » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:27 am

jaytea wrote:The same for this one.... Wahlbergs also?
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Hi Jaytea, I find the white markings on the upperparts of the tail and left wing of this bird interesting. Not sure if it reflecting light or not. Do you have any other photos of this bird?
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby wildtuinman » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:36 am

Karin Mitton wrote:Another one please.
Taken at Marievale in January - is this a Western Marsh Harrier? Iknow there was one in the area at the end of last year

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Looks like a young African Marsh-Harrier to me with that pale band across the chest.
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby wildtuinman » Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:43 am

arks wrote:Thanks Karin, agree they're confusing and I certainly never heard this one call as it appears to have something in its mouth. So I'm still not sure what it might be ... Does anyone else have any ideas? :pray:
Karin Mitton wrote:Arks, I have found that I underestimate the size of raven's, and often when I spot a soaring raven at a distance, I think it may be a raptor. Then they open their mouths to call each other, and I realize my mistake. Very devious if them to confuse us like that!
arks wrote:I'm very puzzled by this bird, not even entirely sure that it is actually a raptor :hmz: It seems to have something in its beak ... and it seems to be overall dark with white on its neck, so it might even possibly be a whitenecked raven? I'm stumped! :wall: I saw it along the Olifantsbos road at Cape Point in late November 2014.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby johanclassen » Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:10 pm

Wildtuinman wrote
Why is this not a Booted Eagle?


This is the other side of the bird in question. It will then have to be the white morph of the Booted Eagle? Tnx in advance.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby johanclassen » Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:14 pm

Could this be a young Peregrine? also near Rondevlei Ebb and Flow..Thanks.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Jan van Wyk » Thu Apr 09, 2015 7:27 pm

Hi Wiltuinman

wildtuinman wrote:The pupil is very dilated which makes identifying the true colour of the eye quite hard. Shikra should have cherry red eyes and Little Sparrowhawk will have yellow eyes, but which can also show up orange as I have it here: http://www.laine-dirk.co.za/photos/157/157.html . Not sure if you used a flash, but that could have an effect on the eye colour.

I however do think that I see a yellow eye-ring, a distinct feature for Little Sparrowhawk. Do you have any other photos of the bird perhaps?


I did forward him your comments and waiting for his reply.

Yip....used flash and image was taken in the Sabie river at Paul Kruger Gate.

Another angle ......

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby anne-marie » Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:39 pm

johanclassen wrote:Wildtuinman wrote
Why is this not a Booted Eagle?


This is the other side of the bird in question. It will then have to be the white morph of the Booted Eagle? Tnx in advance.

Lanner Falcon ID.jpg
I prefere this ID :thumbs_up:
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby wildtuinman » Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:02 am

johanclassen wrote:Wildtuinman wrote
Why is this not a Booted Eagle?


This is the other side of the bird in question. It will then have to be the white morph of the Booted Eagle? Tnx in advance.

Lanner Falcon ID.jpg


Hi Johan, yes, the pale morph. If you look closely you can even see the white on the leading edge of the shoulder of the wing.
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