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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Karin Mitton » Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:16 am

I've had a look at previous topics, but nont of the photos of European Honey Buzzardss were of birds in flight. Please confirm if this could be one? Juvenile maybe?
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Johan van Rensburg » Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:23 am

Looks like a black-chested snake-eagle juvie
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Karin Mitton » Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:25 am

Thanks Johan van Rensburg - google the snake-eagle, and I can see why you say that.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Karin Mitton » Fri Mar 06, 2015 6:48 am

Another one please.
Taken at Marievale in January - is this a Western Marsh Harrier? Iknow there was one in the area at the end of last year

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby anne-marie » Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:44 am

yes... could be... but wait for "expert" :wink:
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Johan van Rensburg » Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:43 am

Lucky you!

I dipped on finding them on a few occasions... :cry:

But, like Anne-Marie suggested, let's wait for an expert. For me, making a definitive call is a bit tough with the limited visual info in your pix.
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby anne-marie » Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:58 am

I've got a couple of these Western Marsh Harrier (Busard des roseaux) at my little pond :dance:
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Johan van Rensburg » Fri Mar 06, 2015 11:58 am

OK, I found the pic you posted on Flickr. To me it seems as if the tails of both birds are barred. That would suggest juvie African marsh rather than Western...
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby arks » Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:13 am

I'm very puzzled by this bird, not even entirely sure that it is actually a raptor :hmz: It seems to have something in its beak ... and it seems to be overall dark with white on its neck, so it might even possibly be a whitenecked raven? I'm stumped! :wall: I saw it along the Olifantsbos road at Cape Point in late November 2014.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Karin Mitton » Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:55 am

Johan van Rensburg wrote:OK, I found the pic you posted on Flickr. To me it seems as if the tails of both birds are barred. That would suggest juvie African marsh rather than Western...


Thanks Johan, will go back to my books for a closer look. Difficult when the guys do not want to play along and come closer for better photos! :roll:

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Karin Mitton » Mon Mar 09, 2015 7:58 am

arks wrote:I'm very puzzled by this bird, not even entirely sure that it is actually a raptor :hmz: It seems to have something in its beak ... and it seems to be overall dark with white on its neck, so it might even possibly be a whitenecked raven? I'm stumped! :wall: I saw it along the Olifantsbos road at Cape Point in late November 2014.


Arks, I have found that I underestimate the size of raven's, and often when I spot a soaring raven at a distance, I think it may be a raptor. Then they open their mouths to call each other, and I realize my mistake. Very devious if them to confuse us like that!

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby arks » Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:48 pm

Thanks Karin, agree they're confusing and I certainly never heard this one call as it appears to have something in its mouth. So I'm still not sure what it might be ... Does anyone else have any ideas? :pray:
Karin Mitton wrote:Arks, I have found that I underestimate the size of raven's, and often when I spot a soaring raven at a distance, I think it may be a raptor. Then they open their mouths to call each other, and I realize my mistake. Very devious if them to confuse us like that!
arks wrote:I'm very puzzled by this bird, not even entirely sure that it is actually a raptor :hmz: It seems to have something in its beak ... and it seems to be overall dark with white on its neck, so it might even possibly be a whitenecked raven? I'm stumped! :wall: I saw it along the Olifantsbos road at Cape Point in late November 2014.

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Elsa » Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:21 pm

Wouldn't like to even hazard a guess Arks! :doh:

Can I please get some confirmation on the ID of this raptor seen in Kruger this Feb.
I had initially thought Dark chanting Goshawk, but no yellow eyes, so my other flyer is Steppe Buzzard?

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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Johan van Rensburg » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:39 pm

Go with your alternative, Elsa.
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Re: Identification Help - Raptors

Unread postby Elsa » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:09 pm

:thumbs_up: Johan. :D
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