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Elsa, the second picture basically nails it for me. The signs of barring on the throat (sub adult (and possibly female) Red-chested Cuckoo). The barring on the tail and the lack of distinct yellow base on the bill.

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There is some "red" visible in the the 2nd photo around the base of the neck. Brownish eye visible in both photos.

So will go with Red-chested and as said maybe subadult female because of the barring on the vent

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Well done to the experts then, :clap:
WTM,I think it was you that got the ball rolling in the right direction. :D
Must admit the Red chested Variety didn't even cross my mind. :?
I really don't recall hearing any of the characteristic call and I know they can be pretty vocal.

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That is just the advantage of spending countless hours in this part of the forum and learning from the other guys. Experience gained from reading what the other okes wrote. :D

I highly recommend this practice to everyone else wanting to gain experience in this department. :D

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Elsa wrote:
I really don't recall hearing any of the characteristic call and I know they can be pretty vocal.


The female can have a different call from the characteristic "piet-my-vrou" and depending on the time of the year they sometimes don't call at all.

Roberts explains:

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"heard September to February; also low gurgling sound by female; repeated wik-wik-wik-wik often heard in response to call of male, probably by female; fledgling calls incessant zeep, zeep"

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the lack of distinct yellow base on the bill


:shock:

I don't think this is very far from an adult bird, and may give it to "African", as there is little difference IMHO.

But not "red-chested"...

No red in sight, and "posture" also counts.
I am pretty sure the call would have been heard. :evil:


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I'm still with you on that one Richprins, haven't had time to go through my books and note but will do so this weekend


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Daar is twee kanse dat dit 'n Afrikaanse Koekoek is:
Niks en boggerol. :twisted:

(There are two chances of it being a African Cuckoo:
Nil and boggerol. :twisted: )

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I have given my 2 main reasons of why it is a Red-Chested Cuckoo. I have a couple of other smaller ones why it is if you would like to hear it.

Now give your reasons in return. :twisted:

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Richprins wrote:
and "posture" also counts.
This cuckoo fits the posture of typical cuckoo perfectly. :twisted:

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Don't have all my notes here but for starters the barring you indicate on breast is typical of Juv African moving into imm. The juv/imm of Red Chested has a solid black breast and would show no signs of barring on breast. The imm African has a black beak to start with and only get yellow later on. I still go with imm African. The yellow on the lower mandible in these pics is almost already too much for an adult RC let alone an imm.


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Do yourself a favour and browse through the photos on Birdpics

Go to the "Photos" section, select the "Cuckoo" family from the drop-down menu and compare the pics of the African, Common and Red-chested featured here. That should help in getting some consensus.

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I've gone through those pages numerous times.

They unfortunately don't show the transition going through a moult picture.

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I battle to find any evidence of an African Cuckoo with it's nostril not being in a yellow area on the top mandible. Snoobab, do you have a picture of an immature African Cuckoo. Google gives me everything including the kitchen sink but... :lol:

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wildtuinman wrote:
I've gone through those pages numerous times.

They unfortunately don't show the transition going through a moult picture.


Ja ek weet. Pointed towards those to show that on some of the Red-chested there is very little red and some barring visible.

I wasn't talking to you by the way, talking to everybody :wink:

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Sorry... flippen sorry, man.

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