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 Post subject: Re: Forumites 4x4 Eco Trail
Unread postPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:59 am 
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O my genade, hier kom Poefies........ :big_eyes:

Translation: I just hit the red button numerous times. :tongue:

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 Post subject: Re: Forumites 4x4 Eco Trail
Unread postPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:02 am 
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But then WKK, who uses Leave springs anymore. :twisted:


Those doing Big Bertha up first time... :roll: :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Forumites 4x4 Eco Trail
Unread postPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:13 am 
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@Scipio: Leave springs? No my Isuzu's LEAF springs are still in tact, thanks :D . I've seen all this big talk before, when it came to Bertha, none delivered. :tongue: Got the video footage :twisted: .

As far as the Cruiser goes: Yes it should make old Bertha. Problem is after that it will (also) have to abandon the trail - due to fuel shortage. I'll do Bertha x2 with the fuel a Cruizer uses to labour to the top x1 :twisted: .

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 Post subject: Re: Forumites 4x4 Eco Trail
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WKK, so what you are saying is that I have to take a Fuel Bowzer with me on the trail as I have a 4,7 V8. :D

Last time I was there I had 220litres Diesel in a Landy. Now I have 130 litres petrol. :whistle:

But then again, I will be idling along cause I got horses. :tongue: :tongue:

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 Post subject: Re: Forumites 4x4 Eco Trail
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Plenty of horse there Scipio but yes if you keep horses, you must feed them. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Forumites 4x4 Eco Trail
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All jokes aside though, I have not taken the Jeep anywhere serious yet, some river crossings, flash floods, bit of sand, but I am definitely willing to give the trail a go with it in October. :dance:

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 Post subject: Re: Forumites 4x4 Eco Trail
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@ Scipio: We had a very interesting time on the dunes. Something that bugs me is that one or two of the vehicles in the convoy really made a mess of the dunes. At one point Switchback took lead just behind the Parks vehicle, I was right at the back. On more than one occasion he would radio that the dune looks fine, smooth and by the time I got there it had some serious damage. We are only speculating but it could be that one or two of the vehicle's traction control was messing up. The spin marks/holes were evenly spaced - typically traction control behavior in sand. I know Jeep has one of the most advanced traction control systems on the market, but I would say turn it off completely - if possible. In general the dunes are easy going, any 4x4 with a proper no fuss drive chain should cope fine.

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 Post subject: Re: Forumites 4x4 Eco Trail
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:hmz:

Interesting point there, bit off topic, but I can turn the traction control off, :thumbs_up:

Did the trail some time ago with a TD5 130 Landy that gave me headaches on the peaks due to the long wheelbase. But it went really well apart from that. And I still prefer a 4x4 with a long and short gearstick. :whistle: Maybe yu guys should start a technical thread on your trip, now that would be interesting to see from the different vehicles viewpoint. :thumbs_up:

OK, I know the Landy owners has to replace their dentures, Isuzu owners their Gearboxes, Toyota Owners their vehicles :tongue: , Nissan owners their wife, and the Volkwagen owners did not make the first dune, but it will be interesting. :twisted:

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 Post subject: Re: Forumites 4x4 Eco Trail
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@Scipio; That's a good idea. Got some pics of the dune damage as well. :tongue:

I know this will be a contentious statement for some*, but on the last day I found I could do most of the dunes in 4x2 - without any spinning. Most dunes are not that high, by building just a bit speed, you can basically free-wheel them to the top - without applying power through the drive chain. Key is tyre pressure - Mine was cold @1.1 Bar.

* I know this holds the risk of spinning holes, but once you are able to "read" the dunes, do as described, it is even better than going up slower in 4x4.

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 Post subject: Re: Forumites 4x4 Eco Trail
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Scipio wrote:
Maybe yu guys should start a technical thread on your trip, now that would be interesting to see from the different vehicles viewpoint. :thumbs_up:


I already made quite a few technical points HERE as well. :thumbs_up:

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 Post subject: Re: Forumites 4x4 Eco Trail
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Eish SB, we all read about the Low Tyre Pressures, traction control etc. in our 4x4 manual. :slap:

What I am after is a seperate thread on the different vehicles, effect on the dunes when crossing(i.e. spinholes, crossaxle from the traction control, who did what in what vehicle and how it affected their ride, a more personal type thread. :wink:

I did see some statements on Isuzu rules, :twisted: but the real life drama on the vehicles with the specific trail in mind. :lol:

I saw Cruizer, Navara, Isuzu, Fire Engine etc. :thumbs_up:

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 Post subject: Re: Forumites 4x4 Eco Trail
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Kgalagadi Guru wrote:
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Can we please move the Nossob 4x4 trail feedback on the Arid Parks forum it would just be easier to have it on one forum as to have to jump around?. Thanks.

Due to the many requests for another Forum 4x4 Trail we have decided to do 2 trails in 2012, I would suggest the following months as it would not be too cold neither too hot. Dates available would be 15-17 Oct, 22 - 24 Oct, 29 - 31 Oct 2012 and then 5-7 March and 12-14 March 2012.

If none of these dates will suite you please propose dates so I can have a look at availability. So the bookings are now open for the SANParks Forum Nossob 4x4 Trail.


OMW....What luck :dance: :dance: :dance: Our trip in March begins on 8 March at Rooiputs, so for us, it's tailor made.....5 - 7 March is PERFECT :thumbs_up:
Jannie, will PM you for official booking details.

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 Post subject: Re: Forumites 4x4 Eco Trail
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Hmmmmm 5-8 March sounds terribly tempting :hmz: - and yes, despite all the drama I would do the trail again in a heartbeat ( just without the gypo and the puking and the howling winds that blow people's tents inside out and the heat and a few other things maybe?) - oh and WITH radios ( and Jannie) :D :D

Put us down again PLEASE - might just be 2 of us this time but will confirm later ...

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 Post subject: Re: Forumites 4x4 Eco Trail
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( just without the gypo and the puking and the howling winds that blow people's tents inside out and the heat and a few other things maybe?) - oh and WITH radios ( and Jannie) :D :D


Can only get better....

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