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 Post subject: Another first time visit to KTP
Unread postPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 5:08 pm 
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Hello,

I follow your discussions in this forum for some time now and I'm quite impressed how much information one can find here. Congratulations! :gflower:

We have been to South Africa several times before but now in June we are going to visit KTP for the first time and I have some questions.

We are 2 couples and drive in one car. We are booked in one unfenced camp (Kieliekrankie). Is is possible to move between the chalets in the evening? We would like to have dinner together. Otherwise we have to cook seperately and that won't be too nice.

I see that you recommend gloves etc. But if I look at the temperatur measurements I see that it's only going down to round about 0°C and max. -10°C. That's a bit confusing for me because I live in Germany and I unpack the gloves only for longer walks in winter with temperatures under -5°C. So does it just feel cooler because of windchill in KTP?

Can't wait to pack my stuff! :D

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 Post subject: Re: Another first time visit to KTP
Unread postPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 5:20 pm 
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Hello Joripad and welcome :thumbs_up:

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Is is possible to move between the chalets in the evening? We would like to have dinner together.


Strictly speaking, you can't. However, if you explain your position to the camp attendant, I'm sure he'll make a plan. Just bear in mind that you'll also have to carry plates, knives & forks to the "supper" chalet -- possibly the chairs as well :lol: They are only equipped for 2. The attendant may also want to escort you back to your own chalet after supper.

As for the cold -- nights and early mornings are cold and, to my mind, -10 is still -10 even if there is no snow :shock: :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Another first time visit to KTP
Unread postPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 6:25 pm 
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Thank you p@m!

Additional chairs wouldn't be the problem since we have camping chairs in the car. But it will be quite stupid to split the supplies and not be able to sit a bit together and talk. OK, but if it's not possible then we have to do it. Perhaps it wasn't a good idea to do this trip with friends.

Back to the temperature topic. Perhaps my English isn't good enough to explain it but -10°C is not the same as -10°C with lots of wind. Therefore I asked if there is a windchill effect additionally. And I didn't talk about snow. (By the way we don't have that much snow here in winter as some people believe.) What I wanted to say is that we won't make long walks in the cold there of course and for a few meters to a car I don't feel I need gloves and beanies and so on.
I can only refer to the weather statistics I find in the web and there I see that at least at TR the night temperatures are around 0°C. That we had this month here and we call it spring :wink:
Could it be just a different feeling about the temperature topic? I overheat if it's over 25°C outside. That's why we come to KTP only in winter. I possibly wouldn't survive summer.

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 Post subject: Re: Another first time visit to KTP
Unread postPosted: Thu May 31, 2012 6:40 pm 
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Welcome to the forums, Joripad :D
Gloves and beanies do not take up much space ? I would pack them if I were you.

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 Post subject: Re: Another first time visit to KTP
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Can I add here as someone who has NOT been to KTP but has lived in South Africa, that where you stay will have an effect on how warm or cold you are.

In Europe, the houses are designed to keep the warm air in and in South Africa, they are designed to be cool inside and allow the heat to escape. I lived in Durban and there were times it was really cold and the temp was 20C outside. :)

So, take your beanies and gloves.

If you are used to cold weather you may not feel cold but, there is nothing worse than being cold and not having the right clothing with you.

As MATTHYS has said, pack them and then you can put them on if need be.


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 Post subject: Re: Another first time visit to KTP
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Joripad,

You can pack both your beanies and swimming costume and might use both. The days can be warm and pleasant, but the evenings and early mornings are very cold dropping below feezing point to minus 10 deg C.

Once we had icicles inside the tent and my hands were close to froze bite without the gloves. At Urikaruus tented camp the gas flame went out of the header due the gas not flowing an freezing up. The isolation is not that great in most of the wilderness camp and can be cold at night.

The cabins at Kieliekrankie is not too far from each other, but not safe to walk between them during the evening. There is a walkway down to the parking area and maybe you can drive between them.

GavinW wrote:
That's very sharp Michele Beetle, these pics may give you a better idea
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This is one of the concerns we have as a family of 3 that we will never use the other unit, but must book two units.

The link below has pics of accom. in the park

viewtopic.php?f=38&p=527324#p527324

viewtopic.php?p=1692576#p1692576

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 Post subject: Re: Another first time visit to KTP
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Welcome Joripad!

I know exactly what you think about gloves. :lol:
I as good as never use them, even with a windchill of -17 or such.
However! You will be sitting still a lot of the time, and your only heating is the braai (BBQ). And the early drive will be with open windows mostly, adding windchill. So you will have cold fingers, and then that one (1) photo walks past... But your fingers are too frozen to take it! :shock:

Bring them. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Another first time visit to KTP
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Welcome to the forum Joripad :D

I agee with everyone, as an ex Saffie living in the UK and with a British SO I think that you will probably find that you will need them. Maybe not all the time, but one night in Grootkolk last May we both ended up going to bed in our thermals and socks. Any accomodation which just has a canvas roof or sides lets the cold in ...... better to be safe than sorry - Kieliekrankie is one of those. I will say that my blood has grown thicker since living the UK (although the SO still teases me about my foreign blood) but I still found that it was nice to have an extra layer. :lol: as the guys have said - beanies and gloves don't take too much extra room - pack them and enjoy your first time adventures. Here's to many fantastic sightings and to those lovely quiet times of solitude and peace :thumbs_up:

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 Post subject: Re: Another first time visit to KTP
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You can arrange with the camp attendant about eating together. If you have a good torch, please take it along. A leopard walked between our chalet, nr 4, and chalet 3 one night when we stayed over 3 weeks ago, so strictly speaking you shouldn't walk, but the attendant may offer to escort you to and from your tent. Your car is parked at the bottom of the camp, and you walk up to the chalets, no place to drive.
Beanies and gloves may be needed, don't be sorry if you forget to pack them, like we were :)
Also remember that the desert nights are quite different from nights at low altitudes, the air is thinner, and the wind-chill factor can bite through your clothes.

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 Post subject: Re: Another first time visit to KTP
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Hi Joripad. Welcome. Hope you have a wonderful trip to KTP - sure to be the first of many trips - you will get "the bug".

I am originally from the UK (37 years ago) and I can truthfully say I have never been as cold as I have been in South Africa - the cold seems to go right through to one's bones. The accommodation in the Wilderness Camps is mainly canvas, so you have no insulation in the walls. Also there is no power, so no heating. We are going in a couple of weeks and I'm packing extra bedding, hotwater bottles, fluffy pyjamas, beanies, gloves, etc. Rather safe than sorry!

We and another couple travelled in one vehicle two years ago, mostly staying at the unfenced Wilderness Camps. We managed to eat together in the evenings (though one morning at Grootkolk we were "confined to barracks" as there were lions in the camp). At Kieliekrankie the entrances to the units are fairly close together, near where the cars are parked. I would just ask the camp attendant what his rules are.

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 Post subject: Re: Another first time visit to KTP
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Thanks for all the usefull answers.

10 years ago I lived in SA (Pretoria East) for some time so I know about houses that are not isolated and with no heating. For the nights the sleeping bags that keep you warm even when it's freezing outside a tend were already on the packing list also some thermal underwear. But not gloves etc. because I never felt I need them there.
I told my wife to look for the gloves now but she told me I don't have some anymore after I used the old pair in the garden. Couldn't remember that. So it seems I'll go without and have to sit rather on my hands when they get cold. Luckily I'm not a keen photographer so I won't need them. :)

Thanks also for the tip to ask the camp attendant to escort us but we don't want to cause any extra work for someone. Would have been nice to have a braai and a glass of wine together but for one night it's also OK to have just a can of ravioli or spaghetti or so and then go to bed very early.

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 Post subject: Re: Another first time visit to KTP
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Joripad, we had a braai with our friends at Kieliekrankie, as long as you don't do it too late I don't think it is a problem. The attendant just asked us to use our flashlight and not to walk around other than between the two units which were next to each other.

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 Post subject: Snow in the Kalahari!!??
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Apparently it's snowing in the Carnarvon region which is on the fringe of the general Kalahari region...

Will anyone let us know if this is true and if it seems to head towards the Kgalagadi??

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 Post subject: Re: Snow in the Kalahari!!??
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