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 Post subject: Re: Mammals: Q & A
Unread postPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:45 am 
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Here are the photos of the lions with swollen elbows.

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 Post subject: Re: Mammals: Q & A
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Jehoshaphat wrote:
...we came across a pride of lion with quite a few lions that had swollen "elbows"


We took some tourists to a Lionpark on the West Rand and also saw a number of Lions with these swollen elbows. They were mainly young ones - bigger than cubs but not fully grown - and we thouhgt that it might have something to do with being in an enclosure OR that they were still growing and that it would disapear as they get older.

With what you're saying above about finding the same thing in KNP - both those 2 theories are out the window... :hmz:

It looks like a ball under the skin right on the "elbow" - when the leg is bent it isn't so pronounced - but when the leg is straight it looks like a horrendous growth of some sort, hanging loose under the skin....

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 Post subject: Re: Mammals: Q & A
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Jehoshaphat wrote:
Here are the photos of the lions with swollen elbows.


Yip, exactly the same thing.... it seems from your pics that its also mostly young ones that have this?

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 Post subject: Re: Mammals: Q & A
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Jehoshaphat wrote:
Here are the photos of the lions with swollen elbows.

I took the liberty of sending off a mail to Veterinary services, with 3 of your photos as illustration.
Hope to hear from them soon, but it's a busy department...

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 Post subject: Re: Mammals: Q & A
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And a fast answer!

Those swellings are hygromas (fluid filled sac around the joint). In Kruger they are generally associated with TB in lion (and often found on older lion correlating with their TB incidence) but in areas where there is no TB they are common in young lions. To my knowledge the exact causative agent has not yet been isolated but they often regress as the lion gets older. In these cases the swellings do not seem to be painful all.

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A hygroma is a false bursa that occurs over bony prominences and pressure points, especially in large breeds of dogs. Repeated trauma from lying on hard surfaces produces an inflammatory response, which results in a dense-walled, fluid-filled cavity. A soft, fluctuant, painless swelling develops over pressure points, especially the olecranon. If long-standing, severe inflammation may develop, and ulceration, infection, and fistulas may be present. The bursa contains a clear, yellow to red fluid.

In layman's terms it is a swelling that often develops when a joint, usually the elbow, keeps getting smacked on a hard surface. Think of it this way. If you walk through your living room and "whomp" (really hit) your shin on your coffee table as many times a day as your dog goes down on its elbows, your shin is going to swell up. If you do it long enough your body will start to produce a more permeant protective solution then the skin swelling called a bursa (fluid filled sack). Once you stop hitting your shin on the coffee table and the shin bone begins to heal the swelling will begin to go down. The same is true with your dog's elbow, once they stop traumatizing their elbows, the joint will begin to heal, as it heals, the body will absorb the fluid the joint has produced (hygroma) as a response to the repeated trauma.

So we need to put some soft beds in Kruger...

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 Post subject: Re: Mammals: Q & A
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Thanks DuQues for the explanation...

What we thought about those lions in the lionpark makes perfect sense - the enclosure they were in had a pretty hard surface - there was grass but not a thick mat, plus their only "play things" were ramps and things made from wood...plus all those we saw with these lumps were young ones...

Strange to find them also having this in KNP though - would've thought they could stay off the hard stuff by choice (probably just like kids, they don't care if it swollen, cold, purple or black - just as long as its FUN!!!)

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 Post subject: Re: Mammals: Q & A
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Thanks so much DuQues for getting back to me. I have seen this on a few occasions but never on so many in one pride. Now I know what causes it and you are right, these lions certainly did not seem to be in pain.

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 Post subject: Hyena behaviour at the waterhole
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I was just watching the cams and saw a hyena come to the Satara cam. After a few minutes it stepped into the waterhole to drink. This jogged my memory, and I remembered seeing this behaviour previously. During our August trip I witnessed the same behaviour at another waterhole, and have seen other such occurrences.

Could this be because the hyena is unable to bend its neck down from the side of the waterhole or just that it likes to paddle to cool down?

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 Post subject: Re: Hyena behaviourat the waterhole
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Hyenas often will lie down in the waterhole - seems that they just like to paddle :D

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 Post subject: Re: Hyena behaviourat the waterhole
Unread postPosted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 10:10 am 
It might also be that it recovered food it previously stored under the water….cannot remember where I’ve heard this (might have been on 50/50) but apparently they use the water to keep food out of reach from other scavengers.

A couple of years ago I took the following video of a whole clan having a “pool party” …it was a hot day and they obviously enjoyed the cool water

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 Post subject: Re: Hyena behaviourat the waterhole
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maybe it did cool his feet off...;-)))

now honestly, have seen hyaenas lying and standing in the water when other predators where around (eg wild dogs).
at one occasion a hyaena found a safe spot in a little pool of water surrounded by wild dogs. The dogs didnt dare going into the water.

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 Post subject: Re: Hyena behaviourat the waterhole
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Thanks, Jumbo, for the video. I love the clarity of the sounds of the splashing of water and at the end the birds chirping. The quality of everything is very good and the sighting awesome. This video justifys my sentiment that hienas are not as filthy as people say they are. They are regular bathers.


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 Post subject: Re: Hyena behaviourat the waterhole
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Great video Jumbo, thanks. :clap: :thumbs_up:

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