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 Post subject: Re: Fishing in Lake Panic
Unread postPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:50 pm 
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Sharifa - in order to ensure there is no further confusion, I need to clarify if you are talking about the event you have posted the picture/advert of here in a couple of posts above?

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 Post subject: Re: Fishing in Lake Panic
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Yes DinkyBird :thumbs_up:

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 Post subject: Re: Fishing in Lake Panic
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Sharifa, then in that case the event you are referring to was held end of November 2013 as per the advert posted by yourself.

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1. Was there an environmental management plan (EMP) in place. We had 20 teams of 4 people, 80 people in a pristine area. Now if I am not too trusting it is because there was no EMP in place for another event organized by the HRs. I was a HR at the time and I did not even know about the event.
I have just checked our records, you resigned as an HR in February 2013.

There already has been discussion on the HR fishing event held in Kruger on that particular day in this locked topic where SANParks responded to the questions asked there. You will note that that event was held at Reënvoël Dam. The event in the advert you posted gives the same contact details and numbers partaking, but does not mention where it is being held (on the advert).

Please keep in mind the forum rules regarding a locked topic. see here

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 Post subject: Re: Fishing in Lake Panic
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I was having a discussion with ReyT and a good one. He asked me to provide evidence for my claim about fishing dressed as research :?

The other event that I was referring to where there was no EMP is the KTP Cycle Challenge, I was an HR at the time.

Sorry if I broke the rules but I thought it necessay to respond to ReyT

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 Post subject: Re: Fishing in Lake Panic
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DinkyBird,

I think we don't have to debate if this was the same event as it was clearly stated in the HR website that it will be held at Reenvoel dam together with the same advert that was placed on a different page.

http://www.sanparksvolunteers.org/bushveld-region?start=7

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KNP Research Fishing Experience - 29th and 30th November 2013 - Reënvoël dam

The SANParks Honorary Rangers of the Bushveld Region will be hosting a fishing opportunity at Reënvoël Dam, which is in the Phalaborwa aread of the Kruger National Park [KNP] on the 29th and 30th November 2013.
The reason for this event is twofold namely to bolster the KNP scientific data base on fish life and also to raise funds, which will be used for the on-going combat against rhino poaching by the KNP Ranger corps.
You are invited to participate in this event as am member of a four [4] man team. Only twenty [20] teams will be allowed to partake.
Accolades will be awarded to participants based on the following criteria:
1. Best father and son team

2. Catch of the day: Biggest sharp toot catfish
3. Catch of the day: Biggest kurper
4. Catch of the day: Biggest Tiger fish
5. Most fish caught on the day
6. Smallest fisht caught of the day
7. Funniest fisherman/dressed


We never got any answers from SANParks on the research that was done and as opening poster did not had any opportunity to respond as it was locked when question were asked by GMLSmit. I think its a valid point coming up and besides the big prices from the event and money collected, what benefit did this event have on fishing population and research. Netting is normally used for research purposes and not catch and release and for that reason it is hard to connect this event to a research event, but rather a BIG macho event seeing who can be bigger and better.

Another question I have is not related to the event but more on the river systems where thousands of fish died after a poisonous spillage from a mining company in Phalaborwa. Considering that Reenvoel dam was not effected will the fish of this dam be reintroduce into the Olifants to regain a healthy fishing population in the Olifants river?

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 Post subject: Re: Fishing in Lake Panic
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Son godin, I am not debating where/when the event was held. It was my own understanding all along that all the recent posts on an HR fishing event in Kruger referred to this same event. However, when Sharifa made the following statement
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I heard of another event at Reenvoel Dam but that is hearsay, unless you are confirming there was another event there too.
, and others regarding an 'event' I needed to ensure exactly what event was being discussed, and it is clear by Sharifa's reply to me we were on the 'same page' and discussing the event you refer to now i.e. the SHR organized Fishing Research event held in KNP on 30 November.

So, there is agreement on that - one event in question being discussed here, held in Kruger on 30 November 2013. (a locked topic as I pointed out, and no application by any member to open the topic has been received by the mods to date)

With regard to any other questions posed here regarding the event and research, I refer you to ReyT's replies in this topic.

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 Post subject: Re: Fishing in Lake Panic
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I am only aware of the one event in KNP and another event in Dullstroom. So at least we agree then on this, but lets see if Sharifa knows of more. :thumbs_up:

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 Post subject: Re: Fishing in Lake Panic
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Access to information bill ,alive and kicking. Lock this,lock that. Ban this , ban that. :twisted: :rtm:

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 Post subject: Re: Fishing in Lake Panic
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Access to information bill ,alive and kicking. Lock this,lock that. Ban this , ban that. :twisted: :rtm:


Do you mean the Promotion of Access to Information Act 2000 forestgump.

The act can be downloaded on this site - here

I am not a lawyer but I think this will take precedence over the forum rules?

So what can anybody request?

ii. Records that may be requested [Section 14(1)(d)]

Description of the subjects of records held by SANParks:

• Records required in terms of the National Environmental Management: Protected
Areas Act No. 57 of 2003 and the Regulations published in terms of that Act
• Records in terms of other legislation applicable to SANParks
• Services offered by SANParks
• Clients of SANParks
• Research conducted
• Annual Reports
• Operational reports
• Records of meetings
• Policies
• Employment records and other related records
• Asset register
• Financial records
• Strategic and management plans
• Records of workshops and conferences attended
• Papers presented
• Archive material

So if I understand this correctly we can request information on research?

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 Post subject: Re: Fishing in Lake Panic
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 Post subject: Re: Fishing in Lake Panic
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Sharifa wrote:
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Access to information bill ,alive and kicking. Lock this,lock that. Ban this , ban that. :twisted: :rtm:


Do you mean the Promotion of Access to Information Act 2000 forestgump.

The act can be downloaded on this site - here

I am not a lawyer but I think this will take precedence over the forum rules?

So what can anybody request?

ii. Records that may be requested [Section 14(1)(d)]

Description of the subjects of records held by SANParks:

• Records required in terms of the National Environmental Management: Protected
Areas Act No. 57 of 2003 and the Regulations published in terms of that Act
• Records in terms of other legislation applicable to SANParks
• Services offered by SANParks
• Clients of SANParks
• Research conducted
• Annual Reports
• Operational reports
• Records of meetings
• Policies
• Employment records and other related records
• Asset register
• Financial records
• Strategic and management plans
• Records of workshops and conferences attended
• Papers presented
• Archive material

So if I understand this correctly we can request information on research?


if you read the rest of the document, the correct procedure for requesting infomation from SANParks is quite clearly stated.


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Description of the categories of records held by SANParks:
• Confidential
• Personal
• Commercial
• Financial
• Statutory
• Legal
• Historical

iii. The request procedures
A requester must be given access to a record of a public body if the requester
complies with the following:
• The requester complies with all the procedural requirements of the Act relating to
the request for access to that record; and
• Access to that record is not refused on any ground
of refusal mentioned in the Act

Nature of the request:
• A requester must use the form that has been printed in the Government Gazette
[Govt. Notice R187- 15 February 2002 Form A].
• The requester must also indicate if the request is for a copy of the record or if the
requester wants to come in and look at the record at the offices of the public body.
Alternatively if the record is not a document it can then be viewed in the requested
form, where possible [s 29(2)].
• If a person asks for access in a particular form then the requester should get
access in the manner that has been asked for. This is unless doing so would
interfere unreasonably with the running of the public body concerned, or damage
the record, or infringe a copyright not owned by the state. If for practical reasons
access cannot be given in the required form but inan alternate matter, then the fee
must be calculated according to the way that the requester first asked for it [s 29(3)and (4)].
• If, in addition to a written reply to their request for the record, the requester wants to
be told about the decision in any other way, e.g. telephone, this must be indicated[s 18(2)(e)].
• If a requester is asking for the information on behalf of somebody else, the capacity in which the request is being made should be indicated [s 18(2)(f)].
• If a requester is unable to read or write, or has a disability, then they can make the
request for the record orally. The information officer must then fill in the form on
behalf of such a requester and give them a copy [s 18(3)].

There are two types of fees required to be paid in terms of the Act, being the
request fee and the access fee s22:
A requester who seeks access to a record containing
personal information about that requester is not required to pay the request fee. Every other requester, who is not a personal requester, must pay the required request fee:
• The information officer must notify the requester
(other than a personal requester)
by notice, requiring the requester to pay the presc
ribed fee (if any) before further
processing the request.
• The request fee payable to public bodies is R35.
The requester may lodge an
internal appeal, where appropriate, or an applicati
on to the court against the tender
or payment of the request fee.
• After the information officer has made a decision
on the request the requester must
be notified of such a decision in the way in which
the requester wanted to be
notified in.
• If the request is granted then a further access fe
e must be paid for the search,
preparation, reproduction and for any time that has
exceeded the prescribed hours to
search and prepare the record for disclosure.

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 Post subject: Re: Fishing in Lake Panic
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I have read it and understand the procedure :thumbs_up:

Just thought it may be easier to ask here. We are talking about an organization that has the following values :wink:

• Demonstrate a firm commitment to the transformation process in both organisational development and our relations with external stakeholders
• Have respect for all individuals, recognising different value systems and promoting social equity
• Co-operate and share information within and outside the organisation for mutual benefit
• Be honest and sincere in our dealings within and outside the organization
• Be motivated, enthusiastic, responsible and professional in our work
• Provide a high quality service to our clients
• Maintain a culture of transparency through openness, good communication internally and externally, and through involvement of our stakeholders
• Uphold environmental ethics in relation to conservation and presentation of natural and cultural resources
• Value individual initiative in making contributions to the organization
• Be dynamic in responding to the changing environment and community needs

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Please note:

Posts have been merged to this topic. A further reply on the issue of 'Fishing Research in Kruger / Event held in Nov 2013' has been posted by SANParks (ReyT).

Should any member have further feedback they wish to post here, please PM a mod. Links to procedures to follow to ask for further information are provided for in the last posts on this topic.


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